Chilling out (just a little) about vegetable/seed oils

(BuckRimfire) #1

Interesting compilation here:

I’ve decided to be slightly more chill about seed oils after listening to that. I’m still going to mostly avoid commercially fried food, and I’m not going to buy any salad dressing made with soybean oil, etc, but I’m going to stop worrying about small and infrequent doses of the stuff.

Also, somewhere I just heard someone point out that n-16 omega-6 are easily burned for fuel, so as someone who is getting pretty ripped (modesty forbids posting a photo of the veins in my arms), I figure I’m going to dispose of the stuff that way for the most part. I think it was in this episode:

I realize this doesn’t address the oxidized oil problem, of course…

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(Bob M) #4

I saw that one. Tiny results, really. And there’s no reason to believe (for me, anyway) that the results are beneficial.

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15% of your calories to get such a minor decrease in LDL?

I also have an issue with this:

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Ah, no:

#5

Try high quality walnuts before listening to some regurgitated news article not based on science.

Delta desaturase enzymes are the enzymes required for the elongation of LA into AA/AdA and ALA into EPA/DHA… HOWEVER these enzymes require magnesium and vitamin B6 as cofactors. They also require vitamin A for their genetic expression.

Oils lack magnesium and vitamin B6.

Walnuts are ketogenic and they kill candida. Win win.

(BuckRimfire) #6

Hoo boy! That is really pathetic. Not impressive that AHA would have such a lame-ass statement that conflicts with the realities of the biochemistry. Are the vegans really so influential that AHA has to pretend that ALA and DHA are interchangeable to avoid offending their delicate sensibilities?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #7

No. It’s that the AHA was put on the map by a large donation from Crisco Oil in 1948, and they have been demonstrating their loyalty and gratitude to Crisco ever since. (Nina Teicholz documents this in The Big Fat Surprise.)

#8

You’re making it political and your statement conflicts the realities of biochemistry. The studies on the conversion of ALA to EPA/DHA were done on sick overweight people given oils. These poor studies don’t count.

Walnuts have benefits beyond any whole food I’ve tried.

(BuckRimfire) #9

OK, show me the studies establishing the conversion rate of ALA to DHA in healthy people. You’re implying that there is a comparison to be made between sick and healthy people, which implies that a different rate for healthy people is also known.

I’m a big fan of walnuts. I tend to eat them episodically, for no real reason, and I don’t notice that I feel any different after binging on them, but I couldn’t really attest to anything other than not feeling acutely awful. I tend to eat them when sea kayaking, and they don’t seem to impair my ability to keep going, anyway.

#10

Healthy people have higher metabolisms. Everything is increased. Neurochemicals and growth factors. The studies will eventually come but they will take forever to start because of naysayers.

You’re obviously eating rancid translucent walnuts. This is why I miss living in Europe. They always sell walnuts in shell and in season unlike here in north America where they store walnuts in warehouses for years and then sell them rancid. Effing capitalism.

(BuckRimfire) #11

So, you’re just making hand-waving arguments? I’m done with you.