CBD Oil suspected of causing blood sugar bounce after 8 hours of non-use. Anyone else see this?

(carl) #1

I’ve been using an over the counter CBD oil - a full-spectrum industrial hemp oil - in a vape pen for the last month. Subsequently I’ve seen higher blood glucose numbers in the morning when I’m NOT vaping, which last well into the day.

Yesterday all I had to eat was a big juicy bacon cheeseburger on a Fox Hill Kitchen’s low-carb bun. 2 hours later my blood sugar was 97. Awesome. Vaped my CBD oil all evening. Had no dinner. Went to bed with BG of 95. Awesome.

This morning I got up after a nice 7.5 hour sleep. BG was 120. OK, I thought, dawn effect. So I had just black coffee and water. At around 1PM (5 hours later) BG was 138! Going up. No CBD. Just coffee and water. I just took it again an hour later and it’s 123. That’s still really high for me.

So, I got me a Freestyle Libre Continuous Glucose Monitor so I can get to the bottom of it. First thing I’m going to do is cut out CBD and see if this problem abates.

I’m wondering if anyone has had experience with this one way or the other.

Carl

(Brennan) #2

I have been using a dry herb vaporizer with a ~10% THC / ~8% CBD “herb”. I haven’t noticed any BG spikes. I have abstained while fasting as I was concerned about the appetite stimulating affect. I’m only vape on occasion, there are a number of regular smokers on the forum, though I don’t know if they’ve got much of a CBD %.

Is there a reason you’ve been trying the CBD? I’m still only on episode ~60 something of the podcast, so if you’ve discussed it on the I haven’t caught it yet.

(carl) #3

I’ve been trying to cut back on alcohol consumption, particularly at night, and CBD helps with that.

(Brennan) #4

Yeah I could do with a little less alcohol myself. I have significantly cut back when compared to my pre-keto days, I did go out on Friday to celebrate my success turning my T2D around. Felt like [spoiler]shit[/spoiler] the rest of the weekend. Though this time of year total abstention seems a little optimistic for me.

(Bob M) #5

I’d wait until you get the results from the FreeStyle Libre. I used one for over a year, and they provide a better handle on what’s going on then to the pin-prick monitors. It also seems to have less sample-to-sample variation than does the pin-prick monitors, as with the latter, you really get + or - 15 percent. This is a comparison between my Contour Next EZ and my FreeStyle Libre:

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The column after the time is the Contour Next and the next two columns are for the Freestyle Libre. I bought one from Europe, so that’s the reason for European units. To get these data points on the Libre, I took a measurement and downloaded the data. I’m using their provided reader.

(carl) #6

Good advice. I’ve been wearing it for only a few hours now. Within the first few minutes I watched my BG spike because of stress at how high the initial reading was! I am definitely under stress right now and it is compounding. It’s interesting to note that you can eat keto all day long and still get high BG from other factors.

(Bunny) #7

Cephalic phase response (CPR) of digestion discussed by Dr. Fung has sight, smell and thought[1][2][3] and e.g. a circadian like 3 meal a day learned component[2]. If true then stress could fall under the thought[6][7] part suggested by Fung.

Stressed; then up goes the blood sugars[4]?

So you may be able to observe this with your Freestyle Libre Continuous Glucose Monitor?

Let us know how it goes with maybe some relaxation breathing techniques[5]?

Interesting to think of stress (hormones) and thoughts[6][7] as being connected to a part of the digestion process along with sight and smell of food?

I have noticed when I am really upset or disturbed by something (adrenaline kicks in) I totally lose my appetite even when I was ravenously hungry but not sure if insulin is being spiked because of glucose, I want to experiment with a CGM also!

Footnotes:

[1] “…The cephalic phase of digestion is the gastric secretion that occurs even before food enters the stomach, especially while it is being eaten. It results from the sight, smell, thought, or taste of food, and the greater the appetite, the more intense is the stimulation …” …More

[2] “…Also, note that ghrelin does have a learned component since all these subjects were used to eating 3 meals per day. It is not merely by coincidence that these peaks of ghrelin happen. This is similar to the ‘cephalic phase’ of insulin secretion that we’ve discussed previously[3]. …” - J. Fung

[3] Cephalic Phase Response and Hunger – Fasting 18 - J. Fung

[4] How Stress Hormones Raise Blood Sugar

[5] Wim Hof breathing tutorial by Wim Hof

[6] Antifragility 101: ”A system is resilient if it can adjust its functioning prior to, during, or following events (changes, disturbances, and opportunities), and thereby sustain required operations under both expected and unexpected conditions.” — Erik Hollnagel …More

Some images I like about Antifragility:

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[7] ”The robustness-to-antifragility angle of randomness in physiology - for durable metabolic flexibility - is really fascinating to me.” - Slow Burn Mary

#8

I get higher blood sugars from stress than I’ve ever had from food. Admittedly I’m relying on a standard glucose monitor rather than a CGM but I’m guaranteed to see a measurable rise from a stressful incident.

EDIT: Short video from Mike Mutzel showing how high his blood glucose went after a bit of airport stress

(carl) #9

I was amazed.

I brought my blood sugar back down by listening to a few Music to Flow By tracks (http://musictoflowby.com).

It literally came down from 120 to 105 in a matter of minutes. Amazing.

I had zero CDB yesterday and today. I’ll report the findings after a couple more days.

Carl

(carl) #10

My sugars never got above 99 today

(carl) #11

Very strange. Sugars came back up. Today I didn’t drink any coffee and they were lower. Let’s see where this goes.

#12

Yep. Blood sugars are weird sometimes.

EDIT: @carl - could it be that since you’ve cut back on booze your liver is a little more ‘active’ in terms of liver dumps & the like? Just a thought.

(Laura) #13

In Keto Clarity, Jimmy Moore says some people are coffee sensitive. Maybe that is it?

(jennifer Francois) #14

What about trying a different vector for the CBD? Skin is the largest organ, try a topical application.

(Omar) #15

I am one of those people

the progress I made after quitting coffee exceeds or equal the transition from SAD to keto ( I am only taking digesting, lipid panel, and energy level not blood glucose)

(carl) #16

I can definitely say without question that coffee was raising my blood sugar. Since I have switched to decaf, and limiting that as well, my blood sugar is evenly between 85 and 95 mg/dl, whereas on a coffee day it would go up in the 150s. Test! Test! Test! Don’t guess!

(*Tame Those Ghrelin Gremlins) #17

I vape CBD, I started to help reduce inflammation and increase my concentration. It also is supposed to help turn fat into brown fat. I seem to be fine using CBD however with the positive health effects from Keto I’m not sure I need it anymore. The CBD oil I use is 2500 mg btw.