Carbohydrates make you SKINNY!

#1

Carbohydrates make you SKINNY!
The following foods are NOT carbs, but FAT foods (as they contain around 50% of their calories from fat) and that’s why they make you fat: cakes, donuts, biscuits, pastries, pizza, et cetera.
Eat low fat, high carb, high fibre plant foods and watch yourself transform in time.

Thoughts? Received this from a HCLF girl I met the other day. (I ended up bringing up my WOE because people noticed I lost weight. I probably got a little carried away talking about it when I found others to relate to. She was sitting beside the people I was talking to. Guess she was paying attention.) What would you say?

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #2

I don’t like to argue with idiots and my mother always taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, to say nothing at all. So I would be sitting in silence if I were you. You can’t change peoples minds and you can lead horses to water but you can’t make them drink. You do you.

(Alec) #3

I am with Katie in tending towards non-engagement. But if I did I would explain about the insulin response to carbs (even if they are mixed 50/50 with fat), and the effect that high insulin load has on fat burning.

I would also explain that a HCLF diet might work very well for some people. But the evidence suggests that the majority of people in western countries are insulin resistant, and many are heading towards T2D, with now 10% already having T2D. This is caused by carbs. So, this lady can say or think or prefer what she wants, the current evidence points towards the best diet for the majority being low carb.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #4

Agree with Katie as well.

I just know that I ate that way for most of my adult life and it did NOT make me skinny. If i did lose, I would be so hungry that I would end up putting back all the lbs. plus a few friends. If you do eat high carb, you do need to eat low fat or you will have double trouble.

I prefer to be at my goal weight and eat all the fats. Works for me.

(KetoQ) #5

I came to keto out of chance and desperation. I did the low fat, vegan WOE. I couldn’t stop the weight gain. I felt like I had tried everything. What did I have to lose with keto?

That said, I think its hard for vegans, especially if she is a lithe 20-something who knows nothing about weight problems – yet – to make the leap to LCHF as a healthy WOE. Not much you can say to them until they have been in your shoes, or are seriously objective about nutrition.

(Alec) #6

I have a different experience. I have done low fat diets about 8 times in the past all with the same result: I would do great for between 3-6 months and I would lose weight, pretty steadily at about 0.5kg per week. Then for no readily apparent reason the weight loss would stop. But my eating/exercise hadn’t changed. And I was eating like a rabbit. And I hated it. And I wasn’t losing any more. And I was hungry. And I was stressed. So I would stop.

So I would go back to eating my “normal” diet that I would normally eat. I would quite quickly (say over 3-4 months) regain the weight I had lost and I would end up about 2-3kgs heavier than when I started. Sound familiar anyone?

This happened about 8 times my life. Do you know the second sign of madness? :rofl::rofl::scream:

So, for me, I know that HCLF diets work. For a few months. Then they don’t. Then they lead me to a bad place. Then I end up fatter. And I feel like a failure because I end up fatter. And then I try again.

Keto is different.

(Ron) #7

EXCUSE ME? I wasn’t addressing you and would ask that you quit rudely interfering in OUR conversation!

(Allie) #8

People open their eyes when they’re ready to and any attempt to force them open will meet with resistance.

(I came for the weight loss and stayed for my sanity... ) #9

If that was true I would have lost weight when i was calorie restricting and eating meringue every day (which i obviously didn’t and always felt like shit

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(Chris) #10

Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

(I came for the weight loss and stayed for my sanity... ) #11

Can we agree on a term for the female version of “Bro science” ? :joy::joy:

“Sis science” somehow sounds silly…

(Allie) #12

I think “crap” covers it nicely :joy:

#13

I’d message/give her the title of Nina Teicholz’s book, The Big Fat Surprise. Then I would ask her to read it before entering a discussion about the merits of demonising fat. If she doesn’t read it, you saved yourself a conversation, if she does read it you may just have saved her the destructive nature of a high carbohydrate based diet.

(Chris) #14

Such a well known term though, just because it says “bro” in it doesn’t make it exclusionary, and it has such a strong meaning!

:smiley:

#15

Agree with the others that it’s not worth arguing, but in any case you have some common ground in that quote: fat + carbs is a BAD idea. More than that, a genuinely enthusiastic “I’m so glad you’ve found what works for you!” can do wonders.

If you feel great about what you’re doing, you never have to defend it. If she continues to bring it up, you could keep the focus on her (“you really like eating this way” “you find the science for HC very compelling” “yes, it feels so good to be healthy, right?” “you feel really strongly about this, don’t you?”).

(KetoQ) #16

Alec –

I can appreciate that, I have had that experience eight times as well.

My journey on keto has taught me to be open to other ideas and WOE. The older I get, it seems the answers to life’s questions come from very contrarian places. Better late than never.

WOE is not a one size fits all question. It is very individual in nature, and should be. Human health and weight loss can be both complex – and even quite simple in a way – to manage and control.

At the same time, I believe there are lots of positive things about a plant based diet. I’m a big believer in food as medicine and that getting diverse foods and nutrients is something that can work in tandem with keto’s low insulin approach to help someone achieve good health.

And not to get lost in all this, food is something that can still be enjoyed. A good meal is an important part of families and friendships and life. I think it would be helpful for some people to reframe and reevaluate the role of food and how it can be a healthy and complementary part of a well lived life.

Sorry this response went on so long, that was my stream of consciousness for the day.

Hopefully, we can all find what will work for us.

Good luck.

(Terence Dean) #17

If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong.

(CharleyD) #18

Bless your heart.

(Brian) #19

I’d be tempted to get out an old line that I don’t hear often anymore.

“Whatever you say is right. Even if you don’t say anything, you’re still right.”

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #20

Your acquaintance has a point, in that carbohydrate combined with fat is a deadly combination. As Dr. Robert Lustig points out, there are very few foods in nature (milk being one of them) that contain both fat and carbohydrate. HCHF is the worst possible diet combination.

One thing I read recently is that LFHC tends to work if the fat is less than 10% of the calories, and likewise LCHF, if the carbs are similarly low. Anything in between tends to cause trouble. I personally doubt I’d do well on a high-carb diet, but there are those it works for, and we shouldn’t blame them for promoting that way of eating, any more than we want to be criticized for promoting keto.

The problem comes only when people stop saying, “It worked for me, but YMMV” and start saying, “This is the way everyone should eat.” I find I’m susceptible to that kind of slippage, and want to watch it.