Carbohydrates don't cause insulin resistance or diabetes

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(bulkbiker) #21

So what you meant was

“the small amount of carbs from green veg are not bad for you in small amounts”

as opposed to what you actually said which was

“High carbs from Whole Foods are not bad for you”

(Bunny) #22

Yes

(bulkbiker) #23

Thanks… see it wasn’t that hard was it… if only you’d said that the first time!

#24

The tallness of the carbohydrates is the thingo that needs describing. When we look through an LCHF lens 100g of carbs may look high, whereas to many, that is low carb.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #25

He may be onto something. I have been hearing and reading more lately about systemic inflammation from PUFA consumption, and I strongly suspect that they may play a large role in the story. Something that may be relevant is that Dr. Phinney is on record as estimating that perhaps as much as 20% of the population can handle carbohydrates just fine. He also stated, at Ketofest 2019, that he was coming more and more to the conclusion that systemic inflammation was at the root of all metabolic disorder. Dr. Saladino’s work seems to confirm this. PUFA’s can damage the mitochondria, and we know that mitochondrial damage underlies insulin resistance, many cancers, and so forth.

It’s hard to disentangle the effects of refined sugar and industrial seed oils on the health of Americans, since they both entered the food supply at roughly the same time. Diabetes Type I has always been with us (it was first described in classical antiquity), but Type II and the metabolic diseases associated with it (I’m thinking of gout and dental caries, in particular) were always diseases of the rich until modern industrial processes made refined sugar cheap and plentiful. Cottonseed oil and Crisco entered the American food supply over a century ago, and they clearly haven’t done us any good, either.

After reading the complete thread, I need to add that the difference between Type I diabetes and Type II diabetes is that the former is an autoimmune disorder with an unknown cause, whereas the latter is clearly diet-induced (though some people appear to be more susceptible than others, so there is probably also a genetic influence going on here). Type III diabetes (Alzheimer’s disease) was virtually unknown until our fear of saturated fat convinced us that sugar, refined grains, pasta, and polyunsaturated fats constituted health foods.

Don’t forget, as well, that the main reason we consider polyunsaturated fats to be healthy is that the American Heart Association began to recommend them in the late 1940’s, after Crisco gave them a donation of millions of dollars that made the organization into the nationally-known powerhouse it is today. Coincidence? I think not!

#26

If some types of fatty acids cause insulin resistance, it does NOT mean, that carbohydrates are innocent.

(bulkbiker) #27

What about all those diabetic ancient egyptians… don’t think they drank canola oil by the bucketfull just ate loads of grains…

(Edith) #28

Maybe they were the rich ones who didn’t have to do a lot of manual labor. :grinning:

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #29

@VirginiaEdie In the video I linked above here Eades observes that obesity and diabetes were prevalent throughout Egyptian society, not limited to the rich few. He points out that, in fact, judging from their statuary at least, ancient Egyptian men seemed proud of their ‘boobs and bellies’ and displayed them openly.

#30

Protons

#31

yes, I’m wondering about that as well - see above

#32

can you elaborate?

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #33

The Magic Pill… I Saw it on Amazon…

(Bunny) #34

Fermented seed/grains are a much different thing and I seen so called carnivores like Dr. Bill Schindler (anthropologist) and his entire family eating resistant maize starch and eating fermented grains and seeds or sour dough breads and indulging in such. Dr. Bill Schindler talking to Dr. Shawn Baker…lol

SPROUTING VS. SOURING VS. SOAKING OF GRAINS

A nice tutorial on the Ancient practice of preparing grains & seeds to eat?

Also noteworthy is in another interview with Dr. Shawn Baker and the Author of “Salt Fix’” a Doctor, who also eats resistant maize starch?

:woman_shrugging:t2:

Lots of starchicarnivores out their!

#35

The blog you’re all getting second and third hand info from but most seem to not actually be reading.

Start with the first protons post. Stop when you get to protons 57.

(Kirk Wolak) #36

I already heard this… Love Paul Saladino…

And I loved the evidence here. It’s scary how much vegetable oil we consume.

I suffer MASSIVE Inflammation… And I ate a TON of that crap, before I went carnivore,
which really really helped alleviate most of my symptoms!

#37

Was this the talk Madeleine?

I’ll have a listen on my commute to work today.

Two things on PUFAs:

  1. LowCarb wholefood animal products people are starting to sound like scientists or vegans. Scientists, because their hypothesis changes as they adapt to more knowledge. Or vegan (who have been at the ‘nutrition game’ for quite some time), doing the same thing but shifting the conversation as they find their earlier beliefs were unfounded or confounded. So this ease away from ‘carbs’ to polyunsaturated fats as causes for chronic metabolic disease seems to be a natural evolution in knowledge.

  2. I think there have been some recent podcasts with cellular biologists discussing the cell metabolism consequences of Omega 6 oversupply. That over supply being a measure that shows a deviation away from the recent and ancestral ratio of Omega 3: Omega 6: Omega 9 to be oversupplied in Omega 6. Dr. Cate Shanahan is one to cross reference, and Professor Ben Bikman may have some recent comments.

(Bunny) #38

Can anyone translate these posts by Hyperlipid into English?

Hyperlipid has a tendency to leave the reader in mystery? No take home message!

Protons (57) When glucose becomes palmitate

Protons (56) The miracle of fish oil (3)

(Bunny) #39

Strange thing when you get into Omega’s is you have Omega 9 MUFAs that control the utilization of the lower Omega’s no matter how much Omega 3 or 6, 7’s you get in volume.

Footnotes:

[1] Omega-7 An Overlooked Fatty Acid - Life Extension “…Scientists at Harvard Medical School and the Cleveland Clinic have been investigating a unique fatty acid that has not yet caught on in the mainstream. This novel fatty acid called omega-7 can help break the cycle of high blood sugar, elevated lipid levels, inflammation, and excess fat gain as well as enhance insulin sensitivity.1-3 Omega-7 has been shown to cause an increase in fat breakdown and an increase in the enzymes involved in fat burning for energy.4 Additionally, omega-7 can reduce new fat synthesis in the body.5 Researchers at the Cleveland Clinic found that by taking omega-7 for just 30 days, patients had a 44% reduction in C-reactive protein (inflammatory) levels.1
All these findings point to omega-7 as a new chapter in the fight against metabolic disorders that underlie diabetes, cardiovascular disease, obesity, and cancer. Omega-7 is a strong complement to the cardiovascular and lipid benefits of omega-3s. …” …More

(bulkbiker) #40

Schindler is a paleo fan and not a carnivore.
Egyptians ate lots of grain and got fat and had diabetes according to the archaeological record.
What they did not have was seed oils so far as I am aware.
DiNicolantonio is not a carnivore either.