Carb addiction is worse than my actual drug addiction


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #61

Interesting article, and Prof. Mann has some valid points, but I am not entirely convinced.

My experience is that while sugar cravings may be less intense than alcohol cravings, they are certainly powerful enough. Fructose and ethanol have a lot of parallels: for one thing, they are metabolized in the liver, and by the same pathway, and they both cause fatty liver disease. For another thing, they both affect the brain’s reward center in the same way. They both affect the judgment, and create a sense of euphoria. They both dull pain.

For me, the effects of sugar addiction were perhaps subtler than the effects of alcoholism (which only allowed me to prolong the denial), but they were there, nonetheless, and it took the same kind of spiritual transformation to overcome the one addiction as it had taken me to overcome the other.

It is true that fructose differs from alcohol—and heroin—in not causing immediate cell damage, but the long-term physical effects of sugar and alcohol are the same: fatty liver disease, steatohepatitis, cirrhosis, and death, if untreated.

The most interesting point that Prof. Mann makes is her worry that trying to restrict consumption of a food might lead to bingeing on that food. This is certainly true in the case of alcohol, and it is one of the reasons that alcoholism is so hard to treat. But advising sugar addicts to continue to eat sugar, because stopping might cause them to binge, is exactly the same thing as telling alcoholics to keep on drinking, because stopping might lead them to get drunk. Excuse me?

I think it’s safe to say that this is one of the very diagnostic signs of addiction—normal drinkers don’t have trouble passing up a glass, and normal eaters have no trouble passing up chocolate—hell, they can even leave a doughnut untouched! Me, I drank till I was drunk, I ate fig bars and chocolates by the box and candy by the bag, and I rarely stopped at less than a dozen doughnuts or the equivalent.

Sugar isn’t the new heroin? You certainly couldn’t prove it by me.


#62

I absolutely agree with what you said here.

There’s no argument that smoking is addictive. It was easier for me to resist smoking while I was quitting than it is for me to resist sugar. If I have any, it’s all over.

The article states: “If your concern is that you will develop a physiological dependence on sugar, you needn’t worry. That kind of addiction, like one might have to heroin, is simply not going to happen.” And as evidence says there is no scientific evidence that tolerance occurs. I argue that is wholly untrue.

If down regulation of dopamine receptors is an indicator of physiological tolerance then down regulation of insulin receptors (insulin resistance) should be considered as well. Anecdotally, I think we’ve all experienced changes in sweetness perception. As we eat less sugar we become more sensitive to sweetness. I wouldd consider that an indicator of tolerance as well. Just because the biochemical pathways are not the same and the immediate toxicity levels are not the same does not mean one is more addictive than the other.

Ultimately, the most addictive substance is the one you personally can’t quit.


(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #63

Someone else just commented on this, so it’s popped up on the homepage. A couple of comments:

  • You look great; there’s very little difference between “drug” you and post-LCHF you.
  • KCKO is the only answer. I’ve been doing this 2.5 years. My carb cravings have dropped steadily over that period. Looking back, I’m surprised by how much I used to crave cheats – when I would come visit home (Sydney) from NYC twice a year, I’d load up on Cadbury Caramello chocolate blocks for the return journey, and Cheezels, and other Aussie goodies. I actually just arrived for another visit yesterday, and I remember being fascinated that on my last visit in October, I just didn’t have the strong urge for those carby treats. Meaning: after 2 years low carb, my cravings were lower than at 1.5 years and 1 year in.

TL;DR: your cravings will slowly drop, and it could take years. KCKO


(Elizabeth ) #64

I was going to make a similar post until I decided to do a search first, and here you are. I am struggling so hard. How can I beat these urges and rationale to eat carby foods when I myself am so passionate about keto itself. I am angry at the food industry yet I am having a secret love affair with it on the weekends. Why do I cheat on something I truly love and makes me feel good with the thrill of these 5 second tastes that just make me feel bad after.
Im addicted to carbs worse than I was addicted to drugs.


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #65

I am also a sober person (6 years) and my dopamine receptors do love their stimulation. I counted on sugar a lot after drugs. In the beginning of keto I gave myself all the keto type sweets I wanted, as long as I wasn’t consuming actual sugar. And they were good, but after a while I got bored with them and now I rarely even consider making one (I’m 6 months in). I think this is due to a normalized appetite and that I stopped snacking after dinner. One day I noticed I wasn’t craving anything and that turned into more days. Anyway, I know you’re told not to eat artificial sweeteners, etc, but if that is what helps you make a transition then do it. It’s a lot easier to stop eating a bunch of splenda than it is to stop sugar, in my experience.


(Running from stupidity) #66

I haven’t had any fat bombs for at least a couple of months, but I feel like they’d be a good tool for me right now, TBH.