Can everyone benefit from a ketogenic diet?


#1

My grandmother was talking to me earlier about how she can only sleep 4 hours a night, and that reminded me of something her old friend had said on the local keto group that I had created. “I lost 24 pounds, and I sleep better. I used to sleep between 4 to 6 hours, now I can sleep 8 hours.” is what she said, so I quoted it.

She didn’t reply, instead stared at her phone like I said nothing. Mind you, she said in her 30’s she tried a higher fat diet, she was obese (and still is, but got weight loss surgery and dropped some weight, but is now gaining) at the time and I don’t think the diet was low in carbohydrates. She eats, and has always eaten not so good food --with plenty of trans fats-- and had a mild heart attack during that time. I would assume what I said went straight out the other ear.

Later on, after getting off her phone, she mentioned her other old friend tried keto with her husband, but they both had to go off because one of them had ebola as a child, and the other has a pacemaker and heart stents put in, and his doctor told him keto is making him worse and that he could only have 1 egg a week, but not the entire egg, just part of it.

30 minutes later, she mentioned that the place she goes for supper every evening with my grandfather serves soup, but she can no longer eat much of it because the sodium content of the broth, because of her high blood pressure. I mentioned that my dad got off his high blood pressure medication and now eats 2 times the amount of salt as before, dropped some weight after already being pretty lean, and has better cholesterol levels. I believe my grandmother still has high cholesterol, but I brought that last part up because my grandparents brought up how my dad probably has to half his meat portions and not salt his food anymore (before they were aware that keto helped him.) My grandma also has T2D, and they say T2Ds can’t do keto. I’m not sure if that’s true, because a lot of people here talk about reversing it.

Another one is my sister’s dad. He has had high cholesterol, until recently (thanking it on the statins his doctor put him on.) Eats quite a bit of meat, fried in margarine or PAM spray, but almost always with bread or in a sandwich. Lots of soda, he will not touch vegetables, and I’ve seen him eat bags of bite brownies before at night. He also has Parkinson’s disease, is obese, has chronic pain, and has many other problems… poor guy has a lot going on and is living off meds day to day.

I’m curious, can everyone benefit from a ketogenic diet? Or at least the majority of people, like the ones I’m talking about above. Can some people benefit greater from eating whole grains, low fat and low cholesterol? One part of an egg a week? Margarine over butter, like the people I’m talking about use? I know that’s a stupid question, but I’m asking it more for the sake of seeing how people will reply rather than asking it for an answer, if that makes sense.


(Full Metal KETO AF) #2

I would say all the folks you mentioned would benefit from a keto diet, even the ones who’s doc told em to stop. But I think with older people especially that people get set in their ways, believe they’re doctors like they are preaching the gospel and many just can’t imagine making the changes necessary for a ketogenic diet because it’s pretty much against all the lies that they have believed in all their lives. As the saying goes, You can lead a horse to water…

I hope that you’re grandma comes around to the idea, but she seems resistant. :cowboy_hat_face:


(Nancy Gibson) #3

Yes, most people could benefit from eating less sugar and fewer carbs. It’s tricky talking to people about it, though, because many have been lectured all their lives. Just eat less. Exercise more. People try many other diets and suffer trying to lose weight. Maybe the best thing is just to set a good example.


(Laura) #4

I cannot imagine anyone who would not benefit from consuming less sugar and fewer carbs. Not everyone has to cut carbs to Keto levels to gain benefits.

I don’t know if folks with digestive diseases, such as Crohn’s, would have any contraindications or not. It probably depends on the person and what triggers their disease.


#5

Personally i do believe that everyone is different and some people may benefit greatly from keto, others may benefit from higher carbs, but i think the main thing people benefit from is reducing processed food. I still see lots of keto people using so much processed food- sweeteners, diet sodas, packaged cookies and bars. Just because it’s keto doesn’t really make it healthy in my opinion. Just my 2c worth! Anyways i hope you can help your grandma!!


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #6

I think the folks you mention could greatly benefit from some very small changes like not eating sugar and processed foods and soda. I think they would see a big difference in how they feel and weight loss from just that which could then lead to thinking about a ketogenic diet. It may not be right for everyone and some people eat 100 g carbs a day and manage on that. I also think telling a person who depends on her doctor to literally stay alive at this point to go against him/her will be a difficult task. Educating my grandmother about how meat, butter, eggs, fat and salt is actually healthier would be like trying to convince her we’re living in the Matrix and that none of this is actually real. She wouldn’t go for it. But saying stop it with the brownie bites and pop might be doable.


(Carl Keller) #7

I think the folks you mention would also benefit from LCHF and that they are victims due to archaic medical advice. Fat does not cause heart disease. Lowering blood pressure by decreasing dietary sodium causes more harm than benefit. Countless studies prove this type of advice is wrong and dangerous.

It wasn’t so long ago that the medical field stopped prescribing the use of leeches to treat disease and disorder because it was widely thought that most diseases were caused by an excess of blood. This carried on for over a thousand years… so it’s not so hard to imagine that we are not always being given the proper advice.