Can a 15 year old to keto diets?


(Cristian Lopez) #11

Now before I get into my keto mode with you…

I’m a hardcore athlete

And…

Im a hardcore fortnite player

You can certainly do a keto diet and…
,be ripped, be smarter
,be healthier, and be a hardcore gamer!

For example these are my legs are at 11% body fat

Excersizing and weight training daily
Along with eating lots of calories from low carb food sources
And interimit fasting

…and spending like 60% of my day at the computer monito sadly,lol

I’m 15 too so dm/email Me and I’ll get you started on keto just as I did about a year ago!

I check the forums at least once every day!


#12

I’ve read/heard that you can begin to do keto once you hit puberty. So yeah, do it.


(Rob) #13

Did I call this kid or what! :metal::sunglasses::metal:


(Brandy Fischbach) #14

My 14 year old son does keto and he is also a hardcore gamer. He started about 12 weeks ago at 185 and is now down to 168 last check. He feels better too.


(Saladrang Gaming) #15

You got instagram or whatsapp? They’re the easiest ways of me to contact someone.


#16

I am one of those people that does not encourage my children who are still growing to do keto. I would especially not encourage it in someone who is underweight. You did not mention your height.

I have read that teenage male brains grow until age 25, another reason to be careful and not restrict calories which keto has a tendency to do.

Here is a link to another post that links to a study on growth in epileptic children on keto. I realize not a normal population or a normal keto diet but it certainly did not say keto makes them larger


(Cristian Lopez) #18

I don’t limit protein or fat or calories

I only limit carbs and fast
Along with taking multivitamins,creatine,and also eat a large volume and variety of veggies and nuts

But I always tend too eat a lot more protein than what’s recomended

If you restrict your calories then yes it will affect your growth…but if you eat plenty and are not nutrient deficient than carbs don’t play any Direct on point roll in growth.


#19

I think this is a good distinction to make. Normally keto is pushed as ~75%/~20%/~5% right? I’m just now realizing that this makes sense for someone who has metabolic damage (Type 2 Diabetes/pre-diabetes/fatty liver/obese)

From a teenager’s perspective, definitely ok to eat more protein. Even this guy promotes that higher protein won’t have that big of an impact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3fO5aTD6JU

Just press those carbs down and eat the meats.


(Saladrang Gaming) #20

I’m not underweight at all.I’d say I’m slightly over! Last time I checked my height I was 171cm


#21

I have a son roughly the same age height and weight and one a little heavier maybe 10 lbs. Both are still growing and both are a really good weight. The heavier one wears a 28/29 waist. I am hoping he is still growing at 16 and would not consider encouraging keto. I do encourage whole foods made at home and do prefer he limits grains when possible but I have no problem with rice or organic corn. I Cook for the whole family at once and I do not make very fatty meats because I personally do not care for them. We also do not eat pork in general

If you restrict your calories then yes it will affect your growth…but if you eat plenty and are not nutrient deficient than carbs don’t play any Direct on point roll in growth.
@KidKeto

You may be absolutely right or you may not be. My children are not of an ethnicity that traditionally subsisted on a meat only diet. I have no way of knowing if you are right or not but I am not willing to take a chance on these last inches of growth that they do not need carbs. Plus both boys are very good at self regulating their appetite now. One absolutely cannot eat more than he needs. Perhaps when their children are growing and keto has been proven a good idea for growing children but until that happens I will not encourage keto


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #22

Cristian, the recommendations are for mature adults. Until you finish growing, you should be eating far more protein than we recommend on these forums. As you point out, it’s limiting carbs only that is important for a growing boy. Or girl.

I don’t understand why anyone thinks that carbohydrates are good for children. One of the things that Nina Teicholz discovered about the American diet is that during the colonial days and well into the nineteenth century, the diet in the United States was mostly meat, very little in the way of vegetables, no refined sugar, and very little in the way of refined grains, either. The “diseases of Western civilization” were not nearly as prevalent as they are now, and children grew to be fine strapping adults, taller and healthier than people from almost every other country. Americans also had the longest life expectancy (assuiming they survived to adulthood, of course; it was infectious disease striking at children that brought down the average lifespan). The native tribes that ate almost exclusively protein and fat were even healthier than the white population.

We also know that the dietary minimum requirement for carbohydrate is 0 (zero) grams; there are no diseases of carbohydrate deficiency, in either adults or children.


#23

well into the nineteenth century, the diet in the United States was mostly meat, very little in the way of vegetables, no refined sugar, and very little in the way of refined grains, either. The “diseases of Western civilization” were not nearly as prevalent as they are now, and children grew to be fine strapping adults, taller and healthier than people from almost every other country

Have you ever gone to visit old houses from the 18th century? The ceiling heights were pretty low. The average height has increased since then

This article mentions that and explains:

In fact, over the last 150 years the average height of people in industrialized nations has increased approximately 10 centimeters

the observed increase in height has not been continuous since the dawn of man; it began sometime around the middle of the nineteenth century. In fact, examinations of skeletons show no significant differences in height from the stone age through the early 1800s. Also, during World Wars I and II, when hunger was a frequent companion of the German civilian population, the heights of the children actually declined. They only recovered during the post-war years.

Such data are consistent with recent research indicating that slow growth induced by temporary malnourishment can usually be reversed. Chronic underfeeding during childhood, however, permanently affects stature and other traits, including intelligence

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-are-we-getting-taller/


(the cheater) #24

Just a small reminder that a ketogenic diet doesn’t necessarily have to be a losing weight “diet” - you can even gain weight on keto or stay the same, so all this concern about a 15-year-old or other kids losing weight or fear of having growing kids on keto is somewhat unfounded.

Of course, a lot of us come to this WOE because we need to lose weight - but we forget that it’s just plain ol’ good way to be, metabolically. In any case, KCKO :slight_smile:


#25

I would ask myself “Why Keto?” Is there an underlying condition? -obesity or epileptic seizures? Eat clean and the best quality of food you can afford. Organic/grass-fed when possible. Go see your Dr. and get a full spectrum blood test before beginning. Look at your CRP number (main blood marker for inflammation). Weight loss is one of the main reasons why people go on the Keto Diet. The fat keeps you fuller longer. Most people loose weight because they eat less.


(Bob M) #26

That link you posted does not work. You really have to watch studies with Epileptic children. Because they thought saturated fat was EVIL, in some of the studies, they use very high levels of seed oils. Yes, that’s right, the thing most low carb researchers agree actually IS evil. Even Dr. Davis of Wheatbelly fame has cited to these crappy studies to “prove” that we should go off keto.

As for the original poster, you might consider a targeted ketogenic diet if you’re trying to gain muscle. You might get more muscle glycogen while at the same time (assuming you actually get back to ketosis) getting much of the benefit of ketosis.


(Bob M) #27

Shoot…didn’t realize this was so old before I posted.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #28

One last point to round out the discussion. The ketogenic diet for epilepsy is something like 90% fat and insufficient protein. A number of children were damaged by this insufficiency when they started their pubertal growth spurt, which is where the notion comes from that “keto” is damaging to children. It is not a ketogenic diet in general that is damaging, but the special diet devised for epileptic children. A well-formulated ketogenic diet for children will severely limit carbohydrate, will provide enough protein for growth, and will include enough fat for the child’s energy needs and to promote brain growth (the brain being largely composed of fatty acids and cholesterol).

Children with epilepsy are a special case, and their need for seizure control has to be balanced with their need for enough protein to permit proper growth. And, as already mentioned, the quality of the fats consumed is extremely important.


#29

At the end of the day children with epilepsy is all we have. While a ketogenic diet may be the greatest thing since sliced bread (pun intended) for kids there is no data supporting it or refuting it outside of these children. While my children are still growing (and my husband’s family is vertically challenged so there is some risk there) I will encourage them to eat the best quality food they can but I will not limit their carbs. The data is not available and I will not make them into guinea pigs. Nor do they come from a heritage such as Eskimo where they are genetically adapted to eating this way


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #30

Of course, you are free to do as you wish, but bear in mind that, according to Nina Teicholz, her research shows that at the point where Americans were considered the healthiest people in the world, the diet for both adults and children was almost exclusively meat, with almost no vegetables whatsoever. This didn’t change until the game was mostly hunted off, and domesticated meat production couldn’t keep up with demand.

There is plenty of archaeological evidence to suggest that populations that switched from hunting to agriculture suffered a distinct increase in degenerative diseases when they did. A number of fascinating videos on this topic by Dr. Michael Eades can be found on YouTube.


(Tracy) #31

I agree about mixing high fat with high carbs. My philosophy is not even a little carbs is okay. If you can’t eliminate carbs down to just a few incidentals a day (about 20g) then Keto probably isn’t a good idea.