Well two outta three ain’t bad!!!
Calorie restriction?
jennytoy1
(Jenny)
#43
um, did you read anything I wrote? I’m just leaving that question here 
edited to read I read the bullet points of your article and I agree. but calorie counting is the tool we have so, until theres something new, in conjunction with carb counting, I need to use it.
LightBritez
(Purcilla)
#46
I’m new to keto and I’ve downloaded this app on my phone and if I’m unsure whether to stay away from certain items I scan the bar code on the item and it grades it from A-F. A being really good and f being avoid at all cost.
It has an upgrade membership to help track many things, but the free version works just as well. The membership offers recipes and such. If you’re interested it’s called “carb manager”. Good luck and hang in there! We can keto! 
juice
(Running from stupidity)
#47
Staying away from most things with bar codes is a good start.
and it grades it from A-F. A being really good and f being avoid at all cost.
Really really bad system. It tells you almost nothing, in reality.
Tracking is a great way to learn about carb amounts in foods. I use and recommend this app/website.
One of the main reasons is that it has a tightly-controlled food database that will only be altered by the staff at the app dev company, not just any nuffie with a phone.
It’s also easy to add your own foods/recipes to, and if you subscribe, has awesome reporting functions.
KHAN
(Randy)
#48
Sorry if you thought my response was directly to you. Not my intention.
As to the bolded part, satiety is also a tool often used on keto.
LightBritez
(Purcilla)
#49
Sorry I didn’t explain it better. It helps you keep track of net carbs, protein, fats. You just search for the items you want to eat.
For example today for breakfast I had 2 hard boiled eggs and half an avocado. I then opened my app, into breakfast then searched for hard boiled egg, it comes up with the nutrition and then you can adjust quantities, or customize your meals within the app. It’s not just for packaged/processed foods. It contains produce information as well.
I personally like the scan function because if I’m browsing items in the store and I look at the label and I think “this might be a good snack” what I think is good might not be so the app makes for a good backup if I’m unsure.
I appreciate the information though as I am only on day 2.
Shortstuff
(Allie)
#52
I think the key to continued success is the willingness to keep re-examining the way you do things and adapting if needed. Yes we are all different so different things will work for different people, but in addition to this, different things will work for different people at different times.
The body is constantly changing and just because something worked previously doesn’t meant it will continue to work. My diet these days massively different to what it was like when I first started on keto four years ago, actually different to a year ago, and I’m still getting the positive changes I’m looking for.
For me, naturally eating less some days then naturally eating more on others depending on what my body needs and how much I’ve been asking of it is working perfectly. Some days I fast completely, some days I eat 3000 calories, some days all I need is 1000 calories to feel the same level of satiety that required 3000 previously.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#53
It’s arbitrary, in the sense that someone has decided a priori this is what to do. If, when eating to satiety, one ends up eating fewer calories than one expends, that is not an arbitrary restriction, but rather listening to one’s body and giving it what it wants. Do you see the distinction? An imposed caloric restriction is arbitrary, a “restriction” resulting from giving the body as much as it wants is actually no restriction at all.
Besides, to actually measure one’s daily energy expenditure with any degree of accuracy requires expensive equipment. Furthermore, if all calories were equal, regardless of source, it would then be necessary to match intake to expenditure to an accuracy of something like 20 calories a day, or one’s weight would not be stable. Fortunately, the body has mechanisms to deal with all this, developed over 2,000,000 years of fine-tuning. The appetite is a reliable guide to energy intake, and hormonal control over energy partitioning means that 20-calorie accuracy is not required.
Dr. Jason Fung, in his book, The Obesity Code, clearly explains the difference to the body between fasting and caloric restriction. Caloric restriction requires the body to respond to the limited energy intake by reducing energy expenditure. The reproductive system, hair growth—that sort of thing—all get shut down or greatly reduced, as the body concentrates on making it intact through the famine.
Fasting, on the other hand, as Dr. Fung explains it, requires no adjustment to the metabolic rate, since the body is free to draw on its reserves to keep activity levels high. In Dr. Fung’s metaphor, caloric restriction is like only half-filling the tank of your car, whereas fasting is like switching to a different tank. If we look at this in evolutionary terms, it makes sense, because after the meat from the last mammoth/bison/aurochs/antelope runs out, there won’t be any more until we go out and hunt down another. In such a circumstance, reduced energy output would be highly counterproductive.
Alex99
#54
Well done on your weight loss. 800 Cals - yes that would work.
But are you sure you would not have lost it all without the severe calorie restriction? Plenty of people have lost lots of weight around here without such severity.
Your brain needs about 600 Cals a day - which it will get priority one - that leaves 200 for everything else, like your heart, liver and lungs. Sorry to say, I really am very sorry, but 800 cals probably means more than fat was lost. Muscle mass, bone density, vital organ tissue …
The “well formed ketogentic diet” does not require such severity. It is discouraged.
Besides if you slow your metabolism down so much it will be counter productive. You would’ve been better off having the extra calories and having the extra energy. Good times. Your body burns more.
Sorry I don’t mean to be negative but if the keto diet is based on any science (and it is) then that’s what the scientists are saying.
lfod14
#55
Was that calculated or measured? Playing with your diet can tell you a lot about how hard the metabolism is working. Different things work for different people. First thing I’d do in your case was go back to what you were doing a month ago unless that was the start of keto, your calories seem about right for most and especially an active person. Are your energy levels giving you any clues? Also, sometimes fasting seems to screw with people, seemed to add to my stalls, I always felt awesome when doing them though so that one was hard to pinpoint. On the calories thing, you’re going to find three divided camps. Those who blindly think it’s all about CICO and that this is just a tool to work around those unbreakable rules, People who completely ignore it and think it doesn’t matter AT ALL, and then my camp which is realizing that calories matter, but so does a lot of other stuff and the truth is in the middle somewhere and different for different people.
Being heavily active you may want to try to dump the fasting to see if that helps at all, did for me. Over time I wound up slowing my BMR and didn’t catch it until it was already screwing me, took a while to get it back up. In many situations our BMR isn’t what we think it is and eating less calorically drops weight, but that’s a slippery slope. You don’t want to give in to a sluggish metabolism for very long, better to get that fire hotter so you can eat more without worry.
MommyJill2005
(Jill F.)
#58
I use that app too. I love it, and I also use the free version too. I made spaghetti squash yesterday and I used to think of it like “free calorie” spaghetti but it was a grade C. It is very helpful to me to see what is a good keto choice and what isnt.
LindsaySue
#59
Are you confident in that statement? Isn’t the point of keto to get adapted and reduce fat intake so we harvest from our body fat? Or is your argument that you can’t harvest enough dim body fat to make up the difference
LindsaySue
#60
Satiety is a great (perfect even) tool but one that can take quite a long time to learn to listen to and hear, especially for those (so many of us) who have had a long and tortured relationship with food