Brand new just looking for helpful advice :)


(Chelsea ) #1

Hi everyone.
I started my keto journey last week.
I didn’t really know a great deal about it but after reading alot of things online I decided this seemed the best kind of thing to follow to achieve my goals.
I’m a 29 Yr old female and a mum of two Girls under 5 looking to loose around 2 to 3 stone to get back to feeling fitter healthier and more energetic.

I found meal planning quite difficult as looking for meals online whenever entering the word keto before hand it seemed I needed 1 million ingredients just to make a meal.
So the way I have started off is by downloading carb manager calculating my macros and sticking to them daily ,everyday I have stayed under my net carbs but I’ve found everyday I don’t ever hit My calories and other days I sometimes don’t always hit My total fat and protein intake.

In the first 6 days I lost 5lb ( I understand this will be due to water etc) , I’m not massively active , work two 8 hr shifts a week but on my feet constantly at work, at home I run around after the kids we often play just dance on the wii together for around 35 minutes maybe 2 days a week but I don’t go to the gym or work out as such , but this is definitely something I am going to aim to incorporate into my lifestyle to aid weightloss.

Food wise I’m having a small pot of Greek yoghurt with a teaspoon dark choc chips for breakfast (easy and convenient for me)
Coffee with 1 tablespoon heavy cream

Dinner is either salmon or chicken salad (baby leaves /avacado/ spring onion) not much to it really

Tea/evening meal is either chicken and halloumi salads or salmon and tenderstem brocoli or bacon and eggs or chicken with med veg.

And one 6g net carb muller light after an evening meal.
I’m not snacking in between meals.

So I’m guessing a few questions I’d like to ask here to gain some advice is

  1. Along as I stay under my daily net carbs is it OK to also be under on calories fat and protein as I’m struggling to reach those goals with only being allowed to have so little carbs

  2. Does what I’m eating look OK? Are there any recommendations from anybody , quickness is key for me with the little ones to run around after
    Craving fruit but I know that’s a no go haha!
    If I was to feel snacky in between meals is there anything I could reach for that is kind in net carbs

  3. I’m not measuring ketosis ,I don’t have a device or anything to do that as I really don’t understand any of this part at all yet , but is this something that is recommended to do? And can anyone explain this in a simple way for me to understand as a newbie.

Finally sorry for the huge introduction but thanks for reading , looking forward to having people to talk to on this journey rather than feeling alone and always going to Google for answers.


(Bob M) #2

Only breakfast and dinner? Or is “dinner” lunch where you are (and “supper” is the last meal)?

Those don’t seem that bad, but for me, I need more beef. :wink:

As for #1…it depends. What people sometimes do is eat so few calories that you end up reducing your calories so low your body refuses to lose weight.

As for measuring, there’s no need for that, unless you happen to be an engineer like me and like to measure everything.


(Joey) #3

@Rfsea Welcome to the forum and congratulations (on embarking on keto and, especially, mothering two young ones!)

1 - Staying under the carb target is essential. Be super scrutinizing in understanding where the carbs lurk … it takes a while to really appreciate how ubiquitous they are in our western diet/menu.

2 - Eat, eat, eat. Do not deprive yourself - especially at first you are at risk for under-eating, which is not helpful in reaching any sustainable goal - nor in feeling good about what you’re doing.

3 - Not measuring ketones is perfectly fine. In fact, for most folks it’s likely better than bothering, given all the cost, time and stress that it invites.

Now for some suggestions to a busy young mom:

  • Stay very well hydrated with H2O + electrolytes. If you’re not getting enough salt, you will crash at some point and feel crummy.

  • Easy eating is easy on keto. Some portable, easy options: hard-boiled eggs, bacon made in advance and stashed in a baggie, hard cheese, meat sticks made without sugar, pork rinds, guacamole, salami, turkey, ham, etc… and just about anything made with beef without sugar added.

In short, read those labels carefully. Things that say “keto” may not be low carb at all.

In short, stay hydrated, eat as often and as fully as it takes to NOT be hungry, keep the carbs to an absolute minimum. (BTW, a glass of red wine is lower carb than light beer - which should be avoided as it’s like drinking bread :wink: )

Most importantly, keep focused on the little ones and feed them well, too. But just because they can enjoy certain foods doesn’t mean it’s best for you at this other stage in your life.

Keep us posted! :vulcan_salute:


(Chelsea ) #4

Haha sorry I’m in the UK
So I have breakfast (morning)
Dinner (midday)
Tea ( evening meal)

According to my macros I should be eating around 1800 cals a day but some days I’m struggling to hit even 800?
I’m just wondering if that too low or will this be OK to aid with weight loss?
If its going to do the opposite effect and slow don’t weight loss should I be trying to reach the 1800 call

Thanks so much for your reply :slight_smile:


(Joey) #5

At some point, daily eating of only 800 calories is going to lead to your metabolism shutting down. Upping the fat in your diet is often the key to avoid “starvation” mode … since we’ve been beaten over the head with the idea that fat is bad, we tend to skimp on it despite it needing to become the mainstay source of calories on keto.

Protein can only get you so far - beyond which it’s not tasty, comfortable, nor helpful to getting your body to transition to getting its energy from fat. That’s the whole point of a low carb WOE… burn fat instead of carbs.

It’s like switching from petrol to diesel. In our bodies’ cases, it takes weeks to a few months to make the full transition. Once you do, the body fat will start to melt off and you will find all kinds of other benefits not yet discussed.


(Chelsea ) #6

Brilliant thank you so much for your reply :slight_smile:

So I should definitely try to hit my calories with staying under my carbs , somedays I’ve only been having like 600-800 calories but this is only because I’ve hit carb limit and am a little clueless on how to push the calories up , perhaps adding extra no carb meat to my meals?

I have found myself feeling quite dry mouthed so yes I aim to drink plenty more water than I have been doing.

Yes watching the kids eats strawberries and Blueberries for breakfast is tempting and apples OH how I want a juicy apple! But so many carbs haha!
Also nana days means she always brings them cake ALWAYS , nanas love cake … but I’ve resisted very well.

Thanks for all your advice it’s very helpful and welcoming:)


(Joey) #7

Ah, yes… grandparents are put on this Earth to spoil the kids through food and treats.

As a grandpa myself, I make them “keto treats” that they love, but there’s no doubt that the rest of the world is intent on feeding them carbo-crap..

Be strong, young lady - be strong :muscle: !


#8

I have lost 130 pounds last time I looked. I started out eating as much meat, cheese. eggs, heavy cream and fish as I wanted, much of it bathing in butter. I never, ever went hungry. The only thing I watched was the carbs, and all my carbs came from veggies and berries (treat yourself to some whipped cream with strawberries and blueberries). It worked a charm for me. I hope this helps.


(Joey) #9

Priceless guidance. Simple. Satisfying. Healthy.

Unfortunately, it can’t be recommended by our food-physician-pharma industrial complex… think of the resulting unemployment. :roll_eyes:


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #10

Hello, and welcome to the forums!

Keto meal planning is dead easy. You know the standard meat and 2 veg? That’s it, less the potatoes and the bread. Roasts and chops don’t need a lot of fancy ingredients, and you can make a bit of gravy to go with them, if you are minded to do so. I’m quite happy with meat and a salad, myself, and I only want the salad as an excuse to have fat-laden blue cheese dressing. You can put cheese sauce on most of the keto-friendly veg, too, if you want. I start melting cheese in milk or cream over low heat when I start frying up the chops, start the cauliflower or broccoli boiling halfway through. The only really time-consuming step is getting the gravy to thicken properly. My sister has a recipe for “fully-loaded” cauliflower that involves bacon, cream cheese, and shredded cheddar poured over blanched cauliflower and baked for a while. It’s not terribly complicated and can go into the oven when the meat comes out.

While staying under the carb limit is essential for getting into fat-burning mode, getting enough protein and fat is also important. Fat is the energy source that replaces the energy no longer coming in as carbs. The good news is that, because of their relative caloric value, it only takes 133.3 g of fat to yield as many calories as 300 g of carbohydrate. And unlike carbohydrate, fat has a negligible effect on our insulin level.

Bear in mind that your body requires low carbohydrate/ low insulin in order to get into fat-burning mode, but insufficient calories signals the body to hang on to its fat store, because there’s a famine going on. Abundant food intake, on the other hand, entices the body to shed some of its excess stored fat. That should answer question #1.

I’d eat more, frankly. We say “eat to satiety,” but some people, after years of cutting calories, actually need to work at getting their appetite up, so they can eat more. Do a forum search on “reverse dieting” for more information. In any case, don’t fear fats (especially butter, tallow, lard) and don’t fear meat. Beef is the most nutritious meat, followed by lamb and goat. Other meats and poultry are not bad, just not quite in the same league. Eggs are a very good food.

You don’t need to, although many people find it helpful. But if you are keeping your carb intake under 20 g/day, you should be in ketosis, unless you are exceptionally insulin-resistant.

Don’t be afraid to read around in the forums. There is a whole medical section that becomes available once someone has been a member for a few days. Also, our search function is pretty good (unlike the search abilities in social media platforms), so don’t hesitate to put in terms and see what comes up.


(Joey) #11

@PaulL Your food posts always make me hungry. :cut_of_meat:


(Chelsea ) #12

Thank you everyone for all your replies , really useful and helpful info.
I will definitely start by looking into hitting my calories better by eating more
I’ve done really well every day staying under net carbs so I’m OK with that area at the minute.

Winter foods I can see a few of you talking about and I was going to ask when the nights get a little darker and the air gets a little chillier and we crave those crockpot meals dumplings :frowning: Yorkshire puddings :frowning: et etc haha
What do you all cook as a keto friendly winter warming satisfying meal.


(lou) #13

hi chelsea

Im not new to keto but new to this forum, its brillant!

My go to winter food was slow cooked beef anything! remember to season well.

also cheeseburger casserole, its cheap and easy to make, hardly any washing up as its all done in 1 dish


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #14

Yep, as already said. Meals are easy to plan. Just leave out the carbs and serve more of everything else.
Forget calories. Just eat until your satisfied.


#15

Welcome! You seem to be a nice person, you will fit here :wink: This is a great forum if you ask me.

Oh yes I almost never looked at keto recipes :smiley:
I have found frying up 600g nicely fatty meat makes a good base for my first meal… :smiley: But it took time to get here (I started with vegetarian keto, still not too difficult but still, not nearly this simple or good) and it’s just the base, I complicate my meals to my heart’s content…

We have food threads, they don’t seem to have zillion ingredients even for the non-carni dishes :wink:
And can’t you keep some of your old dishes? I did that but it’s true I just halved my carb intake when I went keto, I already had low-carb recipes… My high-carb -> low-carb change was worse, I went paleo, vegetarian before and after and I had “what on earth can I eat?” moments… It’s way easier with meat and eggs. You even may grab a raw veggie with it, full meal. (Unless you are like me and dessert is mandatory but that can be super simple too.)

I don’t know why people try to stick to macros so much especially if they just get it from a guesswork, not their own experience… Not like experience is everything, we aren’t robots so we need different amounts of food on different days. Maybe not everyone but it’s very common and natural.
Eat enough protein and little enough carbs and don’t starve (and don’t overeat regularly but it doesn’t seem to your problem) but otherwise… You have nice ranges :slight_smile: That’s good as I don’t think we can accurately track, I surely can’t, I don’t know the fattiness of my main food, meat, after all. And of course I can’t possibly know my energy need though I have an educated guess due to my experiences. Calculators always were off.
Other problem with the calculators that different people with the same stats and energy need may need a very different fat/protein ratio. I can’t get satiated without high protein but I shouldn’t eat tons of fat (I love both :smiley: I like carbs the least, by far but I need a little here and there) so of course my fat/protein ratio shouldn’t be high. I overeat with 70% fat, almost no matter what. But I don’t focus on percentages, just the right, enjoyable, nutritious food I can eat enough from and what gives me great macros and satiation. It seems more natural and easier too. As I may not be able to track accurately (I do it still, it’s informative to some extent) but I feel what I feel.

IDK if the others wrote this already (probably, knowing them) as I just jumped into answering when I started to read your comment but don’t go to the gym for fat-loss. It may help but probably very little, many people experience no help or even a hindrance… And it’s much work for just losing a bit more fat, I think… Do it for pretty and practical muscles and better health and confidence! :smiley:
(My last few years doing admittedly a bit half-hearted - I did what I could but it’s not enough - lifting did little, it had no impact on my weight and little on my muscles. Sigh. it’s hard work for a middle-aged woman with probably not so great genetics for it. but my weights still get bigger and bigger and when I won’t be fat, I probably will see some change, I only see the development of my biceps this far as my arms never were fat.)
But yes, it may help a bit. Especially when you actually get a significant amount of extra muscle mass. Your eating is still way more important but in some cases, it may be the extra push you needed I imagine looking at my experiences but they didn’t involve much fat-loss so it’s still a theory. I never will be able to prove it as my fat-loss is still mostly about how I eat, that will do most of the work - and I won’t test eating right without exercise as I need exercise. So you should do it for the other benefits hoping it helps with fat-loss too but main thing it shouldn’t hinder it…

And I just arrived at your questions.

  1. NO, it’s virtually never a good idea to starve yourself. Keto isn’t magic, you still need your nutrients and energy to function well…
    One occasional day is fine (if you feel right). Some fasting is fine (if you feel right), even in the very beginning, why not if your body likes it? Especially if one is used to it, it’s probably much for the body to handle the new woe with a new fasting… I continued my IF on keto as IF is how I live, it’s the best for me by far. But one still eat well on IF… Just in a smaller window.

Fat is the lever, it’s fine to go somewhat low if you still get everything you need but it can’t be way too low as you can’t get much energy from carbs and protein on keto (and if you can eat insane amounts of lean protein, that still isn’t healthy).

OH SORRY I wrote too much while you are busy with the kids… I try to be more concise from now on but it’s super hard when I want to give info I collected during the years…

You food items look fine but you need fattier ones if you don’t get enough fat from them. (I could overeat fat from chicken and salmon myself, they aren’t lean. My chicken thighs with skin aren’t. But you probably don’t even eat really much of them.)

I don’t see why you couldn’t eat fruit… I ate banana nearly every day when I was a newbie and often 6 different fruits from my garden… Amounts matter… BUT if you are ABLE not to eat fruit without suffering, it’s great you don’t do it I suppose. Just like it’s great if you can not eating sweets. I half-lived on them at some point as it was my only way. Don’t force yourself too much but if it’s just some mild discomfort and inconvenience, it’s good if you learn to eat more proper food.

Meat is usually zero… Many cheeses are that too… Boiled eggs aren’t but it’s little and anyway, I consider animal carbs okay as my body told me so.
I personally eat when hungry, a proper meal, as much as needed.
If I just want to eat food while I definitely don’t need food… Well I actually try to avoid it with my big, satiating and satisfying meaty meals (they work) but if it still happens, it depends. If I am not committed to carnivore, it may be even sauerkraut, I love it in big amounts alone :smiley: But that’s me. It’s individual. Some nice animal protein should be the best. Maybe fat. When I am still not fully satiated but I already had 160+ g protein, I often eat some butter, it may even help! And it’s a joy.
Some nuts and other oily seeds probably work for some people and totally not for others. And they have some carbs but it’s no problem when you eat, like, 5g of roasted peanuts and get satisfied… There are lower-carb seeds galore but I love peanuts.

  1. I never measured ketosis. I couldn’t find the strips anywhere but it’s fine. Just eat little enough carbs, that’s enough. Not like you know what is little enough when you start… I went as low as I could and then lower and my body told me what it liked. I don’t even care about ketosis, just feeling healthy and very well.
    The usual advice should do for now: keep your carbs below 20g (I always use net as total never seemed to matter to me but if you can and want to be safe, try total) and get used to keto. If it works well, congrats! You can tweak things later, it’s the same with fat-loss, actually. Don’t hurry things, it’s a big change for your body. But eat enough, that’s important.

#16

I don’t have that. My body wants fatty animal protein galore all the time, be it hot summer or cold winter! My meals are very similar all year round, I just tend to have some more plants in summer when I am surrounded by my own fruits and cucchini gets cheap… By the way, cucchini, it’s a great keto veggie, very low-carb and lovely. You can use a lot of it and it’s still not very many carbs. (Not so very flavorful as carbier vegs though but you can use carrots and onions too, in way smaller amounts. It’s SO easy with meat! You can get plenty of nutrients, fat, protein, joy from your food while not eating carbs. So you can indulge on the sides and desserts more.) We always based our curry on cucchini when we could but it got keto friendly when we stopped eating vegetarian and started to add meat even to our curry… (Too bad I was into carni that time and only very meat heavy stews could remain.)

Maybe some nice soup or stew? That sounds nice for winter. You eat plants too so your soup or stew can be very colorful with many flavors!


#17

Very much depends on the chosen food too, even the timing. Some people automatically avoid properly fatty food and gets satiated with protein and volume alone somehow… Our body can be tricked, some easier than others. Of course our mind can do tricks too, I saw how an ex-anorexic can eat on keto… :frowning: My mind is mostly fine but if I don’t enjoy my food, I tend to eat way less of it AND sometimes I rather stop being hungry just to avoid eating more. It’s not often, I love eating and have very tasty food and big variety most of the time. And mere keto doesn’t satiate me particularly well, I know some people get satiated by very little keto food and need focus to eat more. Fatty bites, more meals, whatever helps.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #18

Stew, but leaving out the potatoes. Carrots are fairly high in carbohydrate, but sometimes I leave them in, nevertheless. Roast beef, pork, or lamb.

Oxtail soup is yummy, but oxtail was discovered a couple of decades ago by the New York Times food editor, and the price soared to stratospheric levels and never dropped again, even after it stopped being trendy.

I like a good pork picnic (a northeast U.S. term for the shoulder joint), because it comes with the fat and skin on, so it’s a self-basting roast. True, you have to deal with the bone, but it yields quite a few servings, and in my area it’s the cheapest cut of meat. Plus, you get the scratchings to munch on.

Duck and goose are also very tasty.

If your children like pizza, there is a recipe for a wheat-free crust, called Fathead pizza, after the movie in which the recipe appeared. A search on the forum will turn up both the original recipe and people’s variants. Carl Morris, one of founders of this site, came up with a version he calls Carl’s Head pizza. The crust is easy to make, and the toppings can be utterly your choice.


(Marianne) #19

Welcome. You got some good advice here from others, but I will add a few suggestions. I think you need to up your food intake and choose options that have more fat. I’d try three eggs for breakfast with butter. I have a small non-stick pan and they take less than a couple of minutes to scramble. Clean up is a breeze. That with 2-3 slices of bacon makes for a great breakfast. You may want to add a butter coffee - satisfying and you will find that this will carry you several hours without being hungry or requiring a snack. Just put your hot coffee in a tupperware (plastic) container with tight lid, add a tablespoon of butter, some artificial sweetener and some cream and shake it really well. It will get frothy and taste delicious. May sound gross to put butter in coffee, but just try it once and you will see what a treat it is. Our favorite protein is pork, particularly pork steaks. They are inexpensive and have a high fat ratio (I think that is why most people on a “regular” diet overlook them). I just slap them on the grill or a piping hot cast iron skillet and they are done quickly. We eat everything - fat included. Another option is hamburger. We get the 73/27% fat. Again, most consumers avoid this because it’s “not healthy” due to the high fat content. You can make a big cheeseburger or take some shredded cabbage and fry that up with the hamburger right in with the grease. So rich and completely satisfying because of it. Fat rich choices will give you a lot of energy and quell the cravings and hunger. Keep the total carbs as low under 20 as you can.

You will pick up new tools as you read more and experiment with what you like and what works for you. Good luck!


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #20

Another thing that many of us do is IF. Intermittent Fasting. With many health benifits eating enough fat means you only eat when hungry and that for many of us is twice a day (2MAD)
I eat at noon and 6:00.
You won’t suffer. I enjoy food more than ever. Especially when you know it’s doing you good.