Blood glucose wont move

(David Toms) #1

I’ve done keto off/on for last 4 years. I recently have went carnivore for last 6 days. what I dont understand is that my blood glucose will not move… from 106-109 no matter if I take it early AM, 1 hour after eating, or in the evening. my blood pressure moved from day 1 to well withing normal. I need to lose about 20 pounds. ketone levels are from .5 to .9

not sure why my blood glucose doesnt change especially since I do 18/6 eating with only 2 meals. I am eating liver, red meat, eggs, salt & butter only. all the food are clean.

hopefully someone can offer some encouragement as I really thought my glucose levels would drop by now

(Bob M) #2

What do you want them to be? What were they before going keto?

Like ketones, I doubt blood sugar has much to do with losing weight. Have you lost any weight so far?

(Robin) #3

You’re in the right place for some insight. Hang tight.
And welcome.

#4

That’s weird, but even if you always sat on 109, that’d be an A1C of 5.4 which is fine and not even pre-diabetic, so what’s the problem? The ketone levels don’t matter.

You active or working out?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #5

Paul Mason, an Australian physician who has gotten involved with Low Carb Down Under in a big way, says in some of his lectures that he’d rather see patients with glucose in a narrow range, even if it’s higher, than to have it be often low but with large swings up and down. The latter case is much more damaging. The body can deal with stable blood glucose.

(David Toms) #6

OK, I thought above 100 indicated pre-diabetic. I get lab work done in Oct so I’ll have more info.

my keto journey started 4 years ago when I was 240#, I am now at 203#. Losing weight is not my first goal, I want to be healthier. I walk in the AM for 1-1.5 miles with a 38# pack. I’ll be hunting soon so I’ll be getting plenty of outside cardio. Just new to carnivore so wanted to see what others thought. thanks for the replies.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #7

Indeed it does—to pharmaceutical company executives looking to sell you an expensive drug to treat your condition. (Have pity on them, okay? If they don’t get that $60,000,000 bonus at the end of the year, they might not be able to afford that ninth vacation house, and then how could they hold their heads up among the other executives?)

(Bob M) #8

And that is a danger of getting a test at the doctor’s, without also getting HbA1c. This is what my blood sugar for a month looked like:

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5.3 = 95.4, but I’m more typically around 100 every morning. That means when I go to a generic doctor’s office, they might get excited about the >100, but if the take an HbA1c, they’ll be less excited.

#9

Nope, the A1C is what determines that, which you can do yourself if you wanted. CVS/Walgreens/Wally World all sell A1C home test kits. You can also use things like Berberine (Dihydroberberine is best) which will lower it, or if the Doc wanted to give it to you Metformin. People complain about taking it, but it’s cheap as hell, does the job and many are trying to get it repurposed as a longevity drug as it seems to have other benefits.

But at any rate, if that’s where your numbers really are all the time, your A1C will be fine.

(David Toms) #10

If at all possible, I prefer to use diet/exercise over meds. But thank you for the info.

#11

The definition of “prediabetic” went down 10 with the release of Metformin. Gee, I wonder if there’s a relationship there. /s

This is a benefit of being old. I remember when the only way to lose weight was “cut out the sugars and starches,” and I remember when there was no such thing as skim milk on the shelf! Also, back in the day, a good systolic blood pressure was considered to be your age + 100. Then they invented a bunch of new BP meds and every 10 years or so,“normal” gets defined as lower. Do those drugs lower death rates from all cause mortality? uh, no. Hell, only 25% of people who use them get lower BP! And then they’re worried about their BP all the time which probably does drive it up.

Question everything. And look into who paid for studies that said (whatever). Like if Coke, hidden behind some “healthcare initiative” name, funds a study on sugar being 'part of a healthy diet," you can toss that study into the trash. If a drug company tells us something, probably not reliable. Their #1 goal is profit. Your health is nowhere on their priority list.

Eating three meals over eight hours, limiting protein to 40 or 45 g per meal, will probably bring it down a tad if it’s important to you to drop it under 100. Protein does cause a slight rise in insulin. So the corresponding rise in fasting sugar is a cost of OMAD/2MAD to some people. Maybe you’re one of them.

(Duane) #12

You have the infamous “dawn effect”. Which I also have. Higher glucose just after waking up, no or low ketones. Lower blood sugar and higher ketones 3 hours after lunch. The message is “stick with” or “up” your program. Do some longer fasts and/or narrow your eating window. My numbers are FINALLY moving…after beginning alternate day fasting and a 20-4 eating window on meal days.

(Eric) #13

Was that test fasting or just a home test with your blood glucose meter? Normally they say that over 100 is pre-diabetic on a fasting test using US numbers. From your posts it didn’t sound like this was a fasting number and overall its not really that high in the grand scheme of things.

(David Toms) #14

It was fasted on home device. this morning I was 110… after I ate it dropped to 106… I have no clue what is going on I’m not eating any carbs just black coffee