Blood Glucose/Insulin Response from LaCroix Water

(Nick) #16

Most likely you’ve just diluted your breath ketones temporarily. I’d imagine the same would happen if you drank sparkling water.

(Jamie Hayes) #17

Could you do the same test with Diet Coke? Please!

(Stickin' with mammoth) #18

Ew. Your poor teeth.

(Stephanie Hanson) #19

Out of curiosity, why? I might do it next week and continue longer with the blood glucose readings. I wouldn’t mind testing doc Nally’s theory. Although my response will certainly be different than yours.

(Stephanie Hanson) #20

That might be an interesting experiment.

(Ashley Haddock) #21

@richard mentioned to me on this thread that since that blog post he’s learned the 20% variance is from machine to machine.

I’ve been testing as well and getting some confusing responses. I’d love an episode of 2KetoDudes that focuses on both the testing and the science behind it (hint hint :grin:). I have been researching on my own but my responses are still confusing me.

(Stephanie Hanson) #22

I’m glad I’m not the only one. I did a glucose test today and it came back baseline at the 3 hr mark. This is the first time it’s come back that quickly. However, this is the first glucose test I’ve run since starting metformin too. Which is encouraging to me.

Instant Pot crustless cheesecake
Made with 1C Swerve, 2 eggs, 2tsp Olivenation lemon emulsion, 16oz cream cheese. I ate 3 of 8 slices for this test.
T0. 90
T30. 90
T60. 85
T120. 83
T180. 90

#23

That does seem like a significant glucose drop at T60, especially since the cheesecake test gave you very steady readings. I don’t have a Ketonix, but I suspect the ketone reaction might lag behind the glucose?

@tomseest might have some insight on that.

(Stephanie Hanson) #24

So I’m wondering if any level of drop below T0 is reactive hypoglycemia or is there a threshold? Most things I’ve tested do create a drop. Zevia is the largest I’ve tested so far.

(Nick) #25

If you drink lots of liquid, the ketonic results are surpressed for a while: acetone is water-soluble and I’ve seen from experience that being well hydrated has an impact on breath output, if nothing else than because your throat has additional surface moisture for a while.

(Stephanie Hanson) #26

I drank a 12oz can as rapidly as I could. It wasn’t pleasant. The fact that my ketones were up at T30 is confusing to me if it was diluting my reading. Hmmm…

(Nick) #27

I’ts worth trying again as an experiment. And then with just sparkling water. And then with sparkling water sweetened with Stevia. And then with sparkling water sweetened with erythritol. If you’re willing to take one for science :slight_smile:

Between you and me, I’ve found that breath ketones are like a changeable breezy day - they’re all over the place, and are only useful for showing trends. The reason is that they measure very recent specific metabolic action, and you body can be making adjustments over time for all sorts of reasons. As such, I would never take one reading as particularly significant.

(Stephanie Hanson) #28

@bokkiedog That’s kind of how I see the ketonix read outs too. Even though the inventor says they track to BG, that’s not my experience. I really only used it to see if it would be a viable alternative to ketone strips. I think not.

And I like your suggestions for what to test. I’ve been ruminating about it overnight and I’m def going to test all sweeteners now. I’ve been stalled for awhile now. This reactive hypoglycemia might be my answer. Although, I’m a bit bummed out that I might have to take them all out if my testing comes back poorly. I wasn’t really planning on being one of the “I kicked all my addictions to the curb” kinda person. My life is stressful right now and I don’t see an end for the next 19 years (I have a toddler).

(Stephanie Hanson) #29

Okay. I did this with Diet Cherry Dr Pepper. No Ace-K. I may have some confounding variables. But I’m still showing with a mild drop from T0 to T30 and T60. I’m beginning to think that stomach stretch is a confounding factor. 12oz def feels over full to me.

I’m thanking I will begin testing all my beverage options again over the coming weeks with only a 4 oz intake.

(Nick) #30

Ah yes. Stomach stretching is something people forget about. Good catch.

(Cliff Arnold) #31

I was just thinking that. I love the Zevia product. Feels like I’m cheating.

(Nick) #32

I wish I could love it, but I detest the flavour of Stevia. Pure erythritol is fine for me, and that it’s not that sweet is a mere bonus. I’d love them to make a much less sweet erythritol-only version. Except they’d have to call themselves Rojia or something.

(Allison Johnson) #33

Still a newbie, so please forgive the misunderstanding!

I’ve read Richard’s BG curve (and listened to the Non scale Victories/Sweeteners Podcasts), but for some reason this still isn’t clicking for me. I’m trying to go through the sweeteners now and see if I could get kicked out of ketosis, but I’m honestly not sure how I would know. I guess I’m assuming I could get kicked out if my BG reaction is too high?

For example, my reaction to stevia is below

T0 - 87 (4.8)
T30 - 96 (5.3)
T60 - 90 (5)
T90 - 89 (4.9)
T120 - 87

Is this too much of a BG reaction to stevia, where I shouldn’t consume anything with it? Unless I’m doing this incorrectly, 20% margin of error would be up to 5.76?

(Nick) #34

Try that test again with pure sparkling water and see if you get similar numbers. I predict you will.

(Siobhan) #35

Definitely try with control test.
Pure water, whatever beverage youre testing, and nothing at all.

Then compare.