Beyond the Lipid Hypothesis - Guest Post on CholesterolCode.com by Yours Truly

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(Michael Wallace Ellwood) #21

Bonnie, may I ask if you are taking any vitamin K2? It could help regarding the calcium score.
Ditto supplemental magnesium.

In addition to the usual things, see if you can get Lp(a) (aka Lipoprotein (a)) measured, and insist that it be measured, and not estimated (calculated). There used to be a company called Atherotech who could do this, but I think they may have gone out of business. I’m not sure who else does it.

See e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5471681/

As mentioned there, niacin (nicotinic acid) will reduce Lp(a). Not mentioned there, but so will vitamin C (ascorbic acid) plus lysine, in gram doses. (If your Lp(a) is elevated, that is; it might not be, of course). From what I’ve read, statins won’t reduce Lp(a) and might increase it.
(Niacin will also reduce LDL-C, and total cholesterol, and should improve other lipid markers).


(Bonnie) #22

I started Ketogenic WOE seriously after the 2017 results. Over the last few years, I have decreased my sugar and white flour but in June, I started in ernest and have not waivered, using an app to monitor ratios of macro nutrients and Keto stir for ketones. A month ago I started IF and most days do 16:8 or 18:6 but I always have coffee in the morning with about .25 cup of heavey cream. So, not really fasting I guess.
After the latest results I paid for a CAC as Canada Health Care plan doesn’t cover it. More bad news. I have asked for a LDL particle test and a C reactive protein (inflammation marker) but my GP has told me no - unfortunately, like so many others here, I find I seem to have more current up to date info than my doctor. She has referred me to a cardiologist. I hold little hope that will result in anything but the advice to quickly get on Statins!
I am not sure what to do before my lab tests next week. Should I try Dave’s 3 day WOE to try to influence the tests? Should I just see what 3 months of Keto WOE has done? Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised and not be a hyper responder. I have a feeling though - that I am😕
I really enjoyed your first guest editorial - more, please. So far, what I have read is in keeping with what you wrote.


(Siobhan) #23

While Lp(a) is a possible marker for inflammation and heart disease it should be noted that it is that - a marker. From what I have read and seen I have not seen evidence of Lp(a) being a causal factor, only correlative: a symptom.
Trying to cover up a symptom will not really solve the root cause. For example, CRP is a marker for inflammation, but we need to look at what it really does which is bind to harmful material like oxidized LDL to make it more “visibile” to clearance pathways - in other words (just like macrophages and fever) it is a part of our immune system.
So lowering CRP alone may in fact do more harm than good, as opposed to targeting the root cause. It could very well be the same for Lp(a) wherein it serves some purpose in the body that we dont understand yet and it goes up as a protective response to the real problem. Fact is - we do not know yet. That is why I would hesitate with your suggestion to off the bat blindly lower it.
LDL and higher total cholesterol are also not causes of disease in themselves. If they were we would expect to see higher risk the higher they go, and higher all-cause mortality. But we don’t. In fact, for women, the higher the cholesterol the lower the all cause mortality.

As for niacin… one of the side effects is elevated blood glucose, which is not what you want when trying to prevent heart disease considering many heart attack patients have elevated hba1c and 3/4 (iirc) have some elevated diabetic marker like fasting insulin.

From what I have seen treating symptoms doesnt work. There was a new drug that they tested recently which blocked inflammation - a huge marker for atherosclerosis (for good reason). It lowered heart event risk by 1% (absolute) and all cause mortality did not change.

Based on everything I have seen - you must go after root causes for any disease to truly alter the risk of death long term.
Ivor Cummins quite effectively covers what these root causes are, and pretty much all of them can be changed.


(Siobhan) #24

Hopefully the cardiologist will be more forthcoming with a requested CRP test, as it may clue you in as to what’s up. Lp(a) may likewise be helpful as a marker.
It depends entirely on what you’re trying to do - if you just want the doctor off your back try and do Dave’s protocol - specifically the second half which should drop LDL the more over fat over the three days before the test (and 12-14 hours of fasting before blood draw).
There is nothing inherently wrong with being a hyper responder, at least if one aligns with Dave’s theories on it - it is basically just an increased need for energy from fat.
Based off of the research I’ve seen from Dave and read separately - high LDL is not in itself a cause for concern. Higher total and LDL cholesterol correlates with lower all-cause mortality among both women and the elderly, which would be a good thing!
And as I stated in my article, from what I’ve found it’s really from the ongoing damaged LDL accumulation overwhelming the system where the issue lies.

So, if I am reading your reply correctly and the 2017 results are from before you went keto I would expect over time it will probably drop as a consequence of lowered insulin (although it will always fluctuate a bit).
Also it should be noted that if you do not feel comfortable taking a statin, have read up on it on the pros/cons, and do not want to take it, you can flat out tell your doctor you’re not taking it. That’s what I did and they haven’t bothered me since.

I think it is wise to not only look at one result as well. Look at the health of the over all system. How is your HBA1C? Fasting insulin? Triglycerides? HDL? CRP? Look at all of those together, and it should paint a better picture.
That is just my view as a non-medical-professional and citizen researcher though :wink:
Sorry if I’m unclear here… any questions just let me know. :slight_smile:


(Bonnie) #25

Thanks Mike. Based on some of my readings, I have indeed started taking magnesium and Vit K2. So much to take in…wading through it all.


(Bonnie) #26

Thanks Siobhan, I agree that symptoms indicate a problem and to get rid of the symptoms doesn’t help (and likely exacerbates) the underlying problem. My HDL and triglycerides are good; I’ve only ever had blood glucose tests and they have always been normal.

Thank you for the suggestions for lab tests. I’ll report back what my results are. I don’t care really what my GP thinks, don’t need to get anyone off my back. My goal is to achieve the highest level of wellness I can. I am 65 years old. I wish I had a baseline for the CAC done when I was in my 40s. I just had it done and I don’t really know any more than that. It will be interesting to see a year from now if it remains stable or even hopefully decreases.
Thanks again


(Siobhan) #27

Thiiiiiis, so glad we agree on that lol.

Definitely do report back! I think as far as wellness goes you are already on your way, but it is nice to know what to look for to confirm that! Cheers and you are welcome!