Beef suet bad?

(mole person) #21

One of the most important things that I’ve learned on keto and carnivore is that how I get my fat affects absolutely everything. Rendered fats like butter, oils, tallow and lard are much less satiating than solid meat fat that’s still bound up to it protein cellular structure and still contains all of the nutrition therein. Also, I simply cannot eat too much rendered fat without feeling really nauseated and sick. I think this is why so many people have problems sorting out a truly ketogenic carnivore approach. Solid fat doesn’t have this effect and I can easily consume 2:1 fat:protein grams and feel better when I do then I ever did on standard keto with plants.

But how to cook pure beef fat so as not to render it? I tried frying it and roasting it and it all resulted in too much rendering, and an unpalatable chewiness and flavor. It wasn’t at all similar to the texture or taste of the mest fat that was attached to my steaks etc, which is what I was trying for. I still ate it because I knew the high fat was helping my health issues but my husband eschewed it in favour of just the meat. Honestly, it was so lousy I was preferring to eat the fat raw.

But I’d taken to using a really low temperature/long duration style of cooking my meats so as to keep all of the fat from rendering out of the meat itself. I found that when I cooked at 150 F no fats rendered out of the meat. So I thought this might be worth a try with the fat itself.

Anyhow, it works amazingly. I just cook huge hunks of fat for 1 1/2 to 2 hours at 150F and it’s so soft and delicious. Now my husband is happily carving off huge hunks and his protein intake has pretty much halved.

I don’t use suet though so I can’t comment specifically on how that would work. My understanding is that it has a less beefy taste which is why it used to be prized for baking, but it may have slightly different cooking properties. I just buy big slabs of fat that the butchers carve off the muscle meat.

With respect to hamburger this required a bit of thought also since a lot of fat renders when you fry a burger. Here is the technique that I use now and adore.

First, I buy the fattiest grind that I can. Then I add to that even more finely chopped up beef fat. Then I form the patties and place them on a rack over a pan in the oven set to 150 F. Again, let it cook for a couple of hours. Then a very, very quick sear in a hot pan at the end. This gives the correct flavor without any of the rendered fats.

*The rack is important to all this low temp cooking. Sitting directly on the hot pan will cause significant rendering itself.

(Chris Kornelsen) #22

I’ve called many different butchers and places around me and almost no one sells beef fat. I’ll do some more digging that’s why I originally settled on suet it was the only thing I could get of solid fat. But thanks foe the tips I’m gonna try jt.

Now I am doing this to fix my IBS mostly and to get more energy. But as a natural standpoint adding tons kf fat to a diet are we doing that bexause in the past humans would have eaten the fat stores on the animal and modern times they cut it all off? Because I wanna est a natural style diet not be like the vegans and have to supplement unnaturally.

(mole person) #23

I don’t really do it much but using sugar is actually my preference over non nutritive sweetners. I don’t think two grams is a huge deal at all.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #24

I agree. I have my super dark chocolate sometimes, and there is sugar in there. And I eat berries sometimes, and there is sugar in there. A lot of us check nutrition labels and even if there is sugar in the ingredients, if it is low enough I’d rather have that over a man-made sweetener. I am not saying those are wrong either. Just my preference. If you were doing 20 g of sugar plus carnivore, well that is your business, but seems weird. But a little tiny amont, I say no big whoop. Especially if it doesn’t cause cravings or anything.

(Chris Kornelsen) #25

With 6 eggs plus liver plus some berries and 2g coffee I’m hitting close to 12-15g kf carbs.

(Chris Kornelsen) #26

Ya I find sugar doesnt hurt me to much (bowel wise). I cheated for 2 straight days this weekend over thanksgiving. Pies and cookies etc. My aches and body aches came back but I kept my no veggie rule just had snacks and fruit. Plus high fat. My bowels have been perfection ever since I cut out veggies. Slight gas pains but that’s plausible with eating crap food haha

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #27

So definetely room for a couple grams of sugar. The rest of the carbs are bringing worthwhile things with them.

(mole person) #28

Normally I don’t give a hoot how people approach carnivore. However, you say you are trying to sort out a health problem. Unless you do a proper elimination you may not have a satisfactory answer. I recommend for that first couple of months to eliminate everything that you can. Certainly things like berries and MCT oil.

So here was my own IBS situation. All of my life I had very loose bowels. Not so bad that it negatively affected my life but completely unformed bowel movements nearly 100% of the time. In the last six years I developed a severe pain in my lower abdomen, no diagnosis. They treated it with narcotics.

When I went keto my bowel condition did a complete 180. At first I was so happy. Formed, beautiful poos! A keto miracle, something I hadn’t seen more than once in a blue moon since my teens.

But there was a problem. My body was completely unused to anything but rapid transit of poorly digested loose material. Thus I became extremely constipated. My average time between bowel movements was 12 days and the last few days never felt good. I tried for 2 years to wait it out. I tried all the keto cures for normal keto constipation such as lots of salt and magnesium supplements. Nothing worked.

Eventually, I tried carnivore. It wasn’t immediate but it’s working. My time has come down to about 5 days now and that is short enough that I have no negatives associated. I’m not bloated or in any discomfort at any point anymore.

I have no idea why carnivore has helped. It’s a complete mystery. Also, a lot of big health problems got better on carnivore for me but this one was the absolute last to begin to show an improvement. So give it time.

(Chris Kornelsen) #29

Interesting. I have the exact opposite experience. I went to hospital many times as a young child with constipation to the point of then putting those enema tablets in the rear hah. In grade 9 I got barium checks barium enemas etc. Etc. No issues so I have IBS. Recommdentaions were tons of fiber grains fruits and veggies very little fat and grease.

So I ate like a normal person but I always preferred fruit tk veggies. I’d have maybe a handful of veggies per day on am average day. But 2 apples, oranges, bananas and grapes ans kwiw. Tons of bread and grains. Whole.grains. I got my IBS to going once a day and the way it works for me is about twice a year I’ll have a day of intense unbelievable bowel pain while I unload for 6 hours. I can live with that. And it was gradually getting better as I ahed but my energy, weight and pains around my body much worse.

Went keto and I average once every 3 days and have an unload day once every 2 weeks. So significantly worse. Onky thing I changed was no fruit no grains tons of veggies. I believe it was the veggies not the fruit or creams or dairy. Even this weekend I had no veggies but tons kf snacks and fruit and sugar grains etc. And every since last week I’ve gone once a day, ever since I cut out the veggies.

That brings me to trying carnivore this way. If it works…wonderful I’ll live like this as I hate veggies anyway. If it doesnt work I’ll go more hardcore. I just really really enjoy good food and dont wanna live a life of one option haha

(mole person) #30

It could be the presence of more vegetables but it might also be the absence of fruit, grains, and/or sugar. I go back to loose stool very quickly if I start eating any of that. And I was always a vegetable eater. I didn’t start eating more veg on keto but I stopped eating all that other stuff.

The same thing happens to my husband who doesn’t have IBS. If he gets constipated he has something sugary and pretty much has to go to the bathroom as soon as he’s finished eating it.

But for me this is a useless solution. For some unknown reason my problem resolved with carnivore eating. But my only non carnivore foods at the moment are a single cup of coffee and a bit of heavy cream.

(mole person) #31

Surprisingly it isn’t low on carnivore. Here are my ratios over the last six days that I’ve been strictly carnivore.

Fat/protein

118.1/69.3 = 1.7
126.4/69.3= 1.8
125.2/60.4=2.1
110.2/55.6=2.0
148.9/60.7=2.4
99.7/40.1=2.5

Final ratio=2.1:1

And yet I’m averaging 59 grams of protein a day which is 1.5 grams of protein/kg of lean mass on my 39 kgs of lean mass body. That’s dead on most recommended ranges.

And I’m not even trying to hit any targets. I just give my body whatever meat and fat that it is desiring.

This also matches how Steffanson ate during the year long experiment where he was imitating the meat to fat ratio that he learned from the Inuit. The paper describes their protein consumption as a daily intake of 15% to 25% of calories.

Naiman specially recommends against added fats. The energy denominator of his ratio is made up of the sum of fat + carbohydrates. These don’t even have the same number of calories and so there’s no way to get a percentage of energy calories. Naiman is also in favour of using a lot of carbohydrates to make up the energy portion of his ratio. I have heard him very recently recommending 100 grams of carbohydrates a day.

(mole person) #32

Yes. Exactly. Stefansson, who lived for many years with virtually carnivorous Inuit described their diet as extremely high in animal fat and said that this was necessary for correct health.

When he allowed scientists to study him (along with another colleague) on a year long carnivore diet the scientists asked to start him on a much higher protein to fat ratio. He became ill with terrible diarrhea that only resolved after he increased his fat. Both men, while eating exactly as they’d learned from their time with the Inuit and consuming however much lean and fat they desired, over the year were getting about 80% of their calories from fat. Anderson, the second fellow, was even slightly higher than that.