Are drug residues(?) a thing in meat?

(Brian) #1

I’ve not paid a lot of attention to the idea of drug residues in meat up until now but I’m reconsidering whether I’ve ignored that a little too much.

I’ve never had a problem with beef or pork, both of which I buy locally from animals I could go visit and see for myself before their processing, they’re raised well. I’ve not had the sources of fish or poultry, though. Fish, I don’t eat a lot of and try for “wild caught” for the most part, never an issue there. But poultry…

I’ve noted for some time that I don’t feel well eating commercial chicken. I like chicken but if just picking up a chicken at the grocery store, I know I’ll probably feel a bit nauseous after eating it, not horrible, but I’ll notice.

A neighbor raises chickens for just this kind of processing, peep to processed bird in about 7 weeks. He has nothing to do with what they eat, it’s just his job to take care of 'em for those 7 weeks. Company supplies everything, including the feed he’s contracted to feed them. It is the chickens he raised that I first started noticing the nausea with (he used to give us some) but it’s not only his chickens.

Last evening, we had one of those boneless turkey breasts from the grocery store. It wasn’t great but I didn’t get quite the level of nausea that I typically do with chicken. Still, quite unremarkable. But here’s the thing that got me to wondering, and the reason for the post. (Bear with me a bit…)

Years ago, I had trouble with seasonal allergies and tried numerous things for relief. One of those things was Claritin. It kinda worked a little for the post nasal drip, not great, but the thing I noticed about it was that it interrupted my sleep big time. It wasn’t that I didn’t sleep at all but it did mess with it. It would be restless sleep, lots of odd dreams, not necessarily bad dreams, just odd for me, not typical.

So, having eating said turkey last evening, I had one of THOSE nights again, like I remember from having taken the Claritin. Except I hadn’t taken anything, not even a vitamin or mineral supplement. Not an Aleve, not a sip of alcohol, NOTHING. And I am asking myself this morning, was it the turkey?

I know producers claim their meat is “drug free”. Yeah, I have serious doubts about what’s in that feed, even if it’s not technically a “drug”.

And in case anyone cares, I HAVE tried personal tests on poultry raised locally that is not using the commercial feeds and have had zero problems with it. Tastes wonderful and no nausea. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to pay $40 for a single chicken or $100plus for a turkey.

Kinda curious whether anyone else might have had a similar experience or thoughts on whether this might be a legitimate issue? In a way, I wanna repeat it a few times just for confirmation, but I hate sleeping like that.

(Bob M) #2

I’ve heard of others having this. I do think that locally raised chickens are better, but they are expensive. I think it’s partly feed, but I wonder if it’s also the type of chicken?

(Brian) #3

Thanks, Bob. Yeah, there are several factors that I wonder about, too. Have to wonder what’s actually in the feed. And also have to wonder what kind of “frankenbirds” are being raised. Seriously, hatchling to full grown bird in seven weeks? And since they like to crow about their “conversion rate” being so high (amount of weight of the chicken vs the amount of weight of the feed the chicken eats), I yet again have to ask what’s in that feed. The idea that when we eat the chicken, we are eating what the chicken ate seems to resonate with me all the more.

It is a bit of a mystery. And I know there are a lot of people out there who prefer chicken as a protein source. No intention to rag on anyone, just questioning why I might have issues with it.

Thanks for chiming in!

(Bob M) #4

I can’t remember the website right now, but he was describing how someone determined that chickens grew faster with seed oils, so all the feed for large farms contain a lot of seed oils. You might be one if those folks who are affected buy those, though it could be something else too.

(Jane) #5

So did I when I ate them!! :wink:

#6

That why my no name store brand chicken breasts that are “all natural” clock in at almost 300g when they’re COOKED? HAH! IFBB Pro Bodychicken! I’d love to see what those things looked like, probably the size of a turkey.

#7

I’m sure there’s some stuff in there, but I can’t rationalize buying the crazy crap either. I bought grass fed/finished beef for a while, it seriously wasn’t as good as the “Crap” steaks. I’m not a fan of any of it being loaded with anti-biotics, but I’ve had microbiome testing many times and there’s no evidence at all I’m nuking my gut, quite the opposite, actually. Same goes with all the sucralose I use. My main sweetener is Monkfruit, but I use liquid splenda for a lot of stuff as well.

I’m a lot more worried about heavy metals contaminating things, estrogenic plastics, endocrine disruptors, stuff that’s a problem (and) actually showing in a lot of people. I’m trying to get my Glyphosate level down (not bad, but there), my aluminum was real high last check and I have no clue why. Also tested good for forever chemicals and never really tried avoiding stuff because of them.

(Ohio ) #8

Welcome to the club! Cadmium and Lead are the headliners for me.
My mind was blown watching CSPAN and the discussion of aviation fuels not being unleaded.
The Republicans sounded like 90s Democrats.

Canned beverages, vaccines, toothpaste, some thing processed? I’m somewhat curious how much it costs to get metals checked, but the tinfoil hat says these tests are probably generous.

(Brian) #9

There is so much of that around us. Probably way more than we’d like to think just in the air we breathe.

#10

Damnit! Cans! How the hell did I not think about that one! I don’t drink a “lot”, but enough I guess. Toothpaste is clean, deodorants are clean for many years, couldn’t tell you last time I got vaccines for anything. Probably my last tetanus shot when I got a nail through my foot 5+ yrs ago.

Pretty cheap actually. I did this one.

He constantly does crazy sales, I just sent in a follow up and waiting. Got it for free, just paid shipping. He’s got a podcast and does deals for the listerners at random.

(Brian) #11

Same.

I wouldn’t say I’m anti-vax. The tetanus shot is an example that’s real, and if a person ever had tetanus and survived it, they’d probably rather have the vax for it. But some stuff called a “vax” may or may not even be effective for what it’s being given for. (I kinda doubt there’s much point in going much farther with that one here, especially since it’s not really the point of the thread… although thinking about it, possibly related.)

#12

Nope! Agreed 100%. The landscape changed with the crap on the last round! Hopefully that course correction is in progress. It’s one thing when prices go to gouge rate and that’s why they’re pushed, still crap, but ok. But once you know real damage is being done to people, and then you double and triple down on it… That’s when it’s a done deal. They wonder why so many people became anti-vaxxers that never were before, they did that to themselves.

The real shame, is in theory, mRNA has the potential to have CRISPR like abilities, kinda like the Peptide Bio-Regulators but even more powerful. Imagine the LMHR’s that could be “reprogrammed” to stop doing that? The genetic SNPs that predispose people to tons of stuff that could be epigenetically switched off. I’d love my male pattern baldness gene to be clipped out, or my SNP that makes me a slow caffeine metabolizer shut off (or removed), or pull out my MTHFR gene and give me the good one so I methylate things right. The potential possibilities are endless. They shot themselves in the foot with that crap!

(Bean) #13

I have a little trouble with grocery store chicken, but do fine with the locally raised stuff. Not as bad as you describe, but noticeable. This is some organic, some not (I’m buying seconds), but I do know what this company feeds their chickens- and it’s non-gmo soybeans and corn along with some vitamin stuff. They have their own feed facility and everything goes through it.

I’m celiac. I’ve wondered if, with chicken, what the chicken eats matters more than with ruminants? In this case, the wheat would be a problem. Antibiotic over use in flocks in large facilities used to be a thing, but I’m not sure that is as common a practice anymore?

#14

Unreal! Did I say Aluminum? Here I am thinking it’d be a little better…NOPE! Not only does that still suck, now I got a mercury problem, which I swear wasn’t the case last time, still can’t find my last report.

Now I gotta start working on an actual intentional detox protocol, and get my old fillings ripped out, there’s coming up on like 17yrs old. That’s gotta be part of it.

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