I just saw a yt video by Jonathan Bailor about his new set point lowering supplement. Sounds too good to be true, but I don’t really have an opinion yet. I couldn’t find a link to the study they quote in the website, the one that claims a 300% increase in fat loss while taking it.
What do you guys think?
It is very tempting, but something doesn’t sit quite right with me, maybe the fact that comments are disabled in the video, or that the website looks a lot like ones that sell gimmicky stuff. I don’t know.
Maybe @richard or @carl could weigh in on this, since they actually know Jonathan Bailor … or at least have talked to him. Sorry to flash your bat signals guys 
You can see the ingredients on their website:
Will refrain from further comment until others have had chance to look at them.
Thanks @Mike_W_Ellwood , I know, and I looked at them right after seeing the video.
My question is more about the validity of the claims, and if anyone has access to the full article they are quoting (where they use those ingredients) and could maybe post a copy. I’m not implying it doesn’t work (mostly my complaints were about website design haha), actually I would really like it if it did, I am just wondering if someone out there has some more info about it.
Also maybe if anyone else has seen this and is maybe planning on getting it and has something to say.
Just sounds like making money off of a Keto plan.
He talks more about it here:
https://blog.bulletproof.com/jonathan-bailor-sane-solutions-counting-calories-online-trolls-210/
Edit: I listened to the podcast, I like the guy. From everything I gather this is a guy we would like, seems like he is just building out a structured way of looking at food for people who don’t want to do all the legwork. Listen to that link from about 21 or so, around 25 for sure.
Agreed, the website seems super scammy. Whether that is the result of poor marketing decisions or an actual scammy attitude, I have no idea.
As for the ingredients, there is nothing special here. No amazing new breakthrough ingredients. Just proprietary blends of off the shelf chemicals.
Not to say it doesn’t work.
The prices of some of the other products are pretty indicative a a company looking to cash in on a trend. $40/lb of whey protein powder. $30 for 1 lb of microwavable pork skins. $15 for 1 lb of erythritol. Any of these can be gotten significantly cheaper elsewhere.
I have nothing against this company or their products.They seem to be targeted to an audience that is looking for a one stop shop for diet plan, supplements and snacks. I’m more than happy to do the work and figure out what I need myself and save the money to buy more steak.
For me starting it with “If diet and exercise aren’t getting you the results…” I turn off before the usual CICO crap begins…
I don’t think either supplement is harmful, except to your bank account.
Most of these ingredients you can get in real food. For example 3 eggs will give you 440mg of Choline, 5 pills will give you 430mg.
As for changing your bodies set point, I’m not sure that is how it works. Especially when our systems are laboring under a significant derangement. My observation is that whenever we can lower our insulin we lose weight until we get to the point our body is willing to defend to optomise for survival.
I think if anyone invents a pill you can take and it will get you to that point then they will deserve to make a lot of money. I’m not convinced that this is it tho.
Thank you all for your input
Yeah, but it really sucks when your body’s set point is quite a bit higher than you want it to be.
If something could help break that incredibly hard plateau it would be so amazing, too bad this is probably not it. Thanks for answering to the richard signal 
Isn’t this why fasting is so powerful? Or am I missing the mark on this one? Just from my personal experience, I was a SOLID set point of around 250 and it seemed that no matter what I did, I couldn’t get past that. But over time, that number lowered to 212-215. Now I believe that number is coming down to 200-205 which means I can eat quite a bit, even some carbs, but once everything settles down and the extra water weight leaves, that is the number that seems to be the default. I am so curious about set points and I wish there was more information on it. If anyone can point me to more set point or Phinney weight info, I would greatly appreciate it.
As for these supplements, it may all be credible, but I think eating whole foods and doing a little IF may give you similar results without taking additional pills. At least it has for me. =0)
I believe if you were able to measure the amount of insulin you made chronically throughout the day every day, that number would have dropped from when your set weight appeared to be 250 to when it dropped to 215 and again when it dropped to 200.
We really can’t measure that unless we test your blood every hour, graph how much insulin is being produced at each point and then measure the area under that curve. We can guess by measuring fasting insulin, but that just tells us the lowest point that graph hits.
The area under the curve changes dramatically when fasted insulin doesn’t change a lot.
This is an example of insulin in a deranged state, the lowest insulin, fasted is right before you eat breakfast
Change the amplitude and duration of the swings of insulin and the fasted insulin doesn’t change a lot but the area under the curve - the total exposure to insulin does
What fasting does is it gives us more time at a lower insulin level. That will bend the needle to lower insulin resistance, which lowers fasting insulin as well as the amount we need to make. And eventually we might develop an insulin sensitive pattern.
