An Opportunity to Listen


(Tom Seest) #1

I know that most people like to poke fun at the people that search Google for the symptoms of their current health situations. In many cases, I see people that are “health professionals”, “scientists”, or “highly educated” of some variety, using this technique to dismiss either the efforts of the person with the symptoms or investigating their symptoms or to appeal to their own authority as a licensed “medical professional”, “scientist” or as “highly educated”.

What strikes me as odd about this situation is that most these people “poking fun” do not recognize that these individuals are scouring the internet, books, movies and other sources for answers to questions, because they are not receiving answers from their “health professionals” or “scientists” or “highly educated” vendors. I understand that we all lack the time to educate our clients or customers as too why our ideas have merit, and we all have legitimate excuses like paperwork, priorities, etc. But, poking fun at these people is rarely the answer. There is some benefit in recognizing the humor in situations, but calling people names, calling them uneducated, calling them conspiracy theorists, only
highlights our inability to properly communicate ideas in a meaningful way or our inability to recognize that Google and other internet-based platforms present tremendous opportunities and platforms to communicate our ideas or investigate our own new thoughts or ideas. An idea simply does not have merit solely based on the basis that it was printed in a book or a vetted consensus-based trade journal. The irony of the situation of the people “poking fun” is that they usually are just demonstrating their own inability to accept new ideas, new frontiers of thought and accept the possibility that they have their own internal weaknesses or struggles. They need to learn to talk and listen to people instead of talking down to them or talking around them.

But, I don’t expect this situation to change either. People have used their “positions of authority” to stop the honest debate of ideas since the beginning of time.

Until then, I’m going to continue to rub in my Lavender essential oil because it relaxes me and makes me feel better (with no scientific merit), I’m going to eat my bacon because I like how it makes me feel and how it tastes (regardless as too what scientific “consensus” says), I’ll continue taking my vitamins and supplements (wasting my money with no scientific basis), and I’ll continue to investigate ideas on the internet using Google and Duck Duck Go (even though it isn’t the printed word). I’ll probably post my symptoms in some safe place on Facebook, I’ll probably ask for thoughts and prayers, I’ll probably still Google and I’ll probably try a specific mix or mixes of essential oils.

And, you’ll probably continue to poke fun at people like me…(which is perfectly fine by me) You’ll probably continue to poke fun at my lack of scientific basis for anything that I do, and that’s okay too.

And sadly, we will never learn.

But, in any case, know that I still wish you well and nothing but the best…


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

Now that’s just plain wrong, Tom! Everyone knows that F is for Fasting! :rofl::rofl:

:bacon::bacon::bacon::bacon:


(Tom Seest) #3

I do not question that fasting can be a cure for many situations, and I have often wondered whether fasting kept me from having a stroke over the last several years. I’ll probably never know that answer during my lifetime. But, the thought of fasting preventing strokes does give me something to chew on…:grinning:


(Tom Seest) #4

My good, life long friend John Brinkmann shared this in relation to this post on my personal Facebook page, and I found it to be quite well written - " You might be interested in an upcoming article in the September issue of the O&P Edge about power in medical encounters. This article compares the behavior of patients in many situations to hostages: https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(17)30394-4/pdf " - John is a well-recognized health professional in his field.


(Ellen ) #5

I agree. I have read replies to post that make cringe. I think a couple of people don’t possess the empathy gene. Be kind. Listen and give advice with a sprinkle of compassion. Newbies look to you for guidance and understanding.


(Susan) #6

Yes! This is why we should just welcome them to the forum, give them the Keto basic rules, and wish them good luck! I agree =). I had lots of people do this for me when I joined this amazing forum (and was still figuring it all out) and it has made a tremendous difference in my Keto journey. This forum is really quite friendly and helpful, I love it.


(Ellen ) #7

You welcomed me when I joined Susan. When I read your posts I smile. You’re a positive force for us all. And you have the results to back up all your advice. Thanks


(Susan) #8

I love this forum; and I try to encourage everyone, as I have been blessed from all the help, advice and support I have received here as well =).


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #9

This was a good article. Having been diagnosed with “incurable” cancer and spending two years navigating treatment and stem cell transplant, I can relate to these feelings. Especially when I was physically too tired to fight for myself. On the other hand, I had good experiences when I did. My oncologist handled my opposition, concerns, anger and sarcasm very well (sometimes dishing it right back). One observation which I think pertains to the patients in the article is that there isn’t enough time to build the kind of relationship people should probably have when one is putting their life in the hands of another.

Anyway, thanks for sharing.


(Tom Seest) #10

I thought so too, and I’m glad John brought it too my attention.

There was one incident, about 8 months after my heart failure was gone, where the charge nurse tried to keep me from leaving the hospital. I was a cash payer and knew that they couldn’t keep me, and she tried everything from veiled threats, etc. She had a couple of doctors stop in to talk me out of it and even had my cardiologist call me. But, as I explained to all of them, they couldn’t tell me the next step in their care plan, or when it would take place, or how much it would cost me, so I was leaving…