Addiction or Intolerence?

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(Heather Meyer) #1

So… ive been doing some speculating today regarding food and addiction…

I have come to realize that I CRAVE and will often binge eat(on non-Keto, Pre-Keto and Mid-Keto) foods that i am actually intolerent to… for ex:

Unsweet PB - love it…could eat a whole jar of it but makes my stomach bloated and gassy

Cheese- Love it… could eat 2 cups of shredded mozza melted on its own… but…makes me constipated and bloated with a gut ache.

Xylitol-my old favorite sweetner…made fantastic sugar free sweetened condensed milk fudge but caused me to run to the bathroom multiple times.

Bread- Pre Keto… loved it…could eat a loaf…made me bloated and tired.

Yougurt- Loved it… could eat a cup but would give me a gut ache and acne breakouts.

Point is… all the foods i love to over-eat or CRAVE, are all the foods i am intolerent to… which leads me to ask this question…

When someone has a severe craving for a food… is it addiction to that food? Or intolerence? or both? What makes one person addicted to one food and another person addicted to another food?

Let me put it in a different light…

Alcoholics are addicted to drinking alcohol…any kind right? Doesnt matter the type.

But people who are addicted to food… seem to crave only certain types of foods which they are addicted to eating… why? Why is it not just all food? Ever think about that? Like why are people not addicted to esting 2lbs of broccoli or 3 lbs of baby carrots? Why isnt every food addict, addicted to eating steak and bacon?

My thought is… food intolerence is a factor in food addiction.

What are your thoughts?

*PS i dont have it figured all out…im genuinly curious!

#2

We think we are us. But there are a trillion internal voices. We are the universe and must provide. Their demands may not be ours. But their chemical prayers are strong. When we feed them it all changes. Something is quietened. Which allows new voices louder. Gut biota.

('Jackie P') #3

Wow, beautufully deep and poetic🙂

(charlie3) #4

I stopped buying cheese and nuts to avoid the temptations. My snack food lately is hardboilded eggs. I track with Crono to reassure my thinking mind that I’m getting all the micros. I do 40 net carbs instead of 20 so the daily giant salad is easier to eat. Then I do a high volume of lower intensity exercise so I get to eat a lot of food, which makes it easier to get all the recommended micro nutrients. I gave up on carnivore, for now, because I was constantly hungry and overate. 18 months in to this and still getting better at it.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #5

Someone posted a speculation recently that the discomfort caused by intolerance to food released endorphins and that’s what your brain is really after.

#6

I have some addictions (not the very problematic kind… it’s normal to be addicted to certain things. I am addicted to fresh air, water and well, some things not exactly needed but good enough) but I’m not allergic to any food as far as I know. Well, I handle carbs not very well but it takes a lot of carbs or a lot of time to make me really unwell.
It’s just… Nice. I love the taste, texture or something else. I am perfectly sure many people are addicted to bacon, steak and probably some to baby carrots, carrots are wonderful. I never recognized a pattern, if I like a food or drink, I can get hooked. And I end up drinking tons of coffee, eating lots of peanuts, tubes of mustard, tomato puree, onions or cauliflowers. I tend to eat my food in big quantities and I can eat almost anything by itself. I just love and really enjoy food. I’m a true hedonist or something :D. I think if you take away all my favs, I will start to like the rest but I never tried that and my taste rarely changes in normal circumstances so maybe I am wrong. But my inner hedonist must enjoy the hell out of their food, at least sometimes.

If eating something feels not quite right (not allergy but some very subtle feeling), it tends to make me desire that food less. Hedonism, again, I like to feel fine. I still consider them super tasty but you don’t need to eat everything tasty. It would be impossible anyway, I can eat so little per day! So I look at my super desirable foods and choose the ones available and good for me. Usually. I’m far from perfect but on a good woe it’s easy enough, practice helps too.
So, I desire my food (practically everything I eat) very much, I just stop after eating some as I’m not an uncontrollable monster anymore. And I’m not allergic to anything on keto, it seems though not everything feels the same. It’s normal that excessive amounts feel bad, that’s not allergy.

#7

Now. We are older than we were yesterday. Often we can be addicted to memories sweetened by the passage of time. The tastes and perfumes of our youthful yesterday taunt and obscure our potentially delicious future.

(Marianne) #8

I agree; there are many keto acceptable foods that I just don’t want to eat because I tend to overindulge. If I am hungry, I’ll have a couple pieces of bacon or pepperoni or a hard boiled egg. That will satisfy me, where peanut butter or nuts - forget it - I’d just keep eating them and then feel really guilty and out of control.

#9

Oh yes. Ketoers were all for fried riced cauliflower and “oh I never ate this much veggies” and I had to ban the insanely tempting thing because 30g net carbs of it was the minimal amount I was able to consume at once (and I never ate that little vegetables before)… I have phases when I learn to make something new and tasty but it’s really a nice dish to my tastebuds.
Hard-boiled eggs are safe enough because I don’t like them very much but they are easily edible and satiating. I still could eat up several whites (for some reason, I love those) and some yolks… I do my best to make softer eggs but it’s tricky to make hard whites and moist yolks. But those are great, just like deviled eggs. I would eat 5-8 and call it a main course (not quite a meal but a good start)! I never ever overate eggs.

(Daisy) #10

I feel, in my personal experience, that I developed intolerances to the foods I was most addicted to. It started with the combination of chocolate and peanut butter. Never bothered me as a kid and I ate it constantly, could eat anything really with no issue. As I got to my late teens/early 20’s, I started getting reactions to it (chocolate/Pb), and it grew worse and worse until I had to give it up. Next was ice cream/lactose. Then sugar as a whole. Then processed carbs as a whole. Then sweetener. Then nuts. Then veggies. Now pork. I’m so afraid of my continued journey into carnivore. There’s…Not…Much…Left…

(hottie turned hag) #11

Dude this post has me all like :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
It’s nothing like your normally eloquent posts, is it a poem?

This is a great thing to examine. There’s likely a biochem reaction in play but prob not quantifiable or even identifiable.

Uncle Dave @David_Stilley I think said something about craving food one is allergic to?

(hottie turned hag) #12

Definitely a poem. Inside a greeting card.

(I’d say stick to your day job?)
:joy:

(Heather Meyer) #13

hnm very interesting…i wonder why endorphins in response to allergy…seems weird.

(Troy) #14

Yes
Not to long ago, I was chewing PACKS of trident sugarless gum…all freaking day!!

Although I knew I would at some point, be at the porcelain throughout the day and evening
I still continued despite the END result :rofl:
And…I NEVER would say woe me or share or complain
It was my negligence
I owned it
A subtle NSV🙂

Way back in pre-keto…I would have complained to others or share my health misfortunes
Pity party perhaps
Even not being truthful
Denial
Attention seeking
Sigh
^^^
Kinda like FOR ME, in the past with alcohol

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #15

It was in response to pain and discomfort, not the allergy itself, although anaphylaxis causes release of mediators which include serotonin and endorphins.

#16

Thanks Jackie. I blame ketosis with coffee tipped on top of it. I wish I could think and write like that in every instance. I’ll take the praise and bathe in it for a few unguarded moments, like a cat rolling in a sunbeam.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #17

Nobody ever suggested Keith Richards and Jimmie Page would have written better songs if…

Well Franko, If eloquent writing like that comes with coffee addiction it’s probably a worthwhile vice. :joy::joy::grin::cowboy_hat_face:

(Bunny) #18

I think it is not an addiction your salivary glands desire food to nourish your body.

Your only intolerant to the amount and kind of food you would like to eat, that is not an addiction.

If I wanted eat anything I wanted and not gain a pound and if there is one thing I could do to not worry about any of it?

I would be looking at a nice weight set and muscular resistance equipment and focus more on skeletal muscles[1] than counting macros or restricting carbohydrates to the point where you feel like your starving to death.

Even a giant rubber band like resistance type equipment, I know it may sound crazy but that little rubber thingy will save your life and keep you in better health than restricting carbohydrates, fasting or fasting extensively! I am biased so I would say eat lots of fat with your pasta because it is good thing, I can find no flaws with it…lol

If you look at some people who are endomorphs. children and adults or that gymnastics or cheerleader with the perfect body how the heck are they doing that eating all those carbs, it is because there fat itself burns carbohydrates before it gets a chance to become a lipid droplet in a fat cell, so there fat cells remain smaller and there muscle tissue does not any have fatty deposits embedded inside the muscle which prevents the whole oxidation process of carbohydrates to begin with, it is when you quit putting tension or resistance against the muscle for long periods of time and eating the same amount of carbohydrates that you get fat?

I think you can shrink adipose tissue on a ketogenic diet or fasting intermittently or extensively but not long-term there is not one piece of evidence showing long term efficacy clinically except maybe Virta Health?

You don’t lose adipose tissue and even if you could it would take a long dam time!

You have to outsmart insulin by giving it more skeletal muscle tissue because insulin thinks your fat tissue is muscle tissue and the bigger those adipose cells are, then they will dominate the territory?

References:

[1] “…In the early stages of development of type 2 diabetes, impaired glycogen synthesis in muscle is the primary defect responsible for the insulin resistance. …” …More