Why eating more is your key to weighing less

(Running from stupidity) #5

With the TWO steaks that are still in the sous vide. I screwed up yesterday’s eating SO BADLY I now have to eat three steaks in two meals. Oh well, Ce la Vie.

#6

What will you do with so many delicious things to eat?!? I think you have the makings of a most excellent feast day!

(Running from stupidity) #7

Exactly the (current) plan. Then maybe fast for the next day or two. OTOH, I probably should quit planning for the next week or so :slight_smile:

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #8

On the whole, this is a very good presentation. I think you pretty much covered the bases.

But I just learned from a new video by Dr. Phinney that one of the reasons fat-adaptation takes time is that it involves mitochondrial healing. You might want to see if that would fit in somewhere. Or maybe you don’t need it? Anyway, there’s the suggestion, for what it’s worth.

(Running from stupidity) #9

Thanks for taking the time to review it, much appreciated.

Do you have a link to the one you watched? I’m interested, and might slip a few extra words in there, although it’s already long enough…

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #10

You might not want to get into it, but the details are fascinating. Here is the Phinney article (not video) I was remembering. And apparently, mitochondrial adaptation is by no means the whole story of fat-adaptation (although I remember it as being more prominent in the article, for some reason—guess I had mitochondrial functionin on the brain that day!). Anyway, here is the article: https://blog.virtahealth.com/keto-adapted/

(Running from stupidity) #11

Good article, thanks for that. Probably a bit more in-depth than I was aiming for above, though :grin:

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #12

Yeah. I remembered it as being less complicated. Till I re-read it. :smile:

(Running from stupidity) #13

We often remember dot points :slight_smile:

(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #14

Paul do you have a url for that Dr. Phinney talk about mitochondrial healing. Thanks

(Running from stupidity) #15
#16

Juice: Thank you for the above. And I did listen to Ramos’ POD cast as well. Now I’d like to hear about Keto being a hormone control diet. Or maybe there’s a POD cast that covers this?
PS: You’re awesome for helping us to understand Keto better! Thank you

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #17

The idea is basically that our blood insulin level is what determines whether we are storing fat or metabolizing it. A high insulin level causes the carbohydrate we eat to be stored as fat, and prevents fat from leaving our fat tissue. High levels of Insulin also block the effects of several other hormones that our body produces and needs for proper functioning. Almost every chronic disease currently afflicting modern civilization seems to be caused by excessive insulin levels.

A low insulin level, therefore, not only allows our hormonal system to re-regulate itself, it also permits our stored fat to leave the fat cells and be metabolized. It is the amount of carbohydrate we eat that primarily controls our insulin level, though dietary protein has a reduced effect and dietary fat a minimal effect. Hence, by eating a minimal amount of carbohydrate, enough protein to stay healthy (protein is essential to our diet), and getting enough calories by eating a sufficient amount of fat, we can control our insulin level and hence preserve or restore our metabolic health.

(Running from stupidity) #18

Weirdly, about 10 or so hours after writing the above I was out for a walk and listened to 2017-03-19 (Megan Ramos is excellent on fasting, possibly not surprisingly) and 2017-04-09 (Richard’s explanation of
metabolic rate is really good). (I tend to skip through episodes, and don’t usually listen to ones where they have no guest or the guest isn’t an expert.)

Paul has covered it off while I was sleeping. Nice work :slight_smile:

(Wendy) #19

If you like to read, Why We Get Fat, by Gary Taubes is a good book on the hormone basis of metabolism and also Jason Fung covers this extensively on his videos and his books Obesity Code and Diabetes Code.

(Running from stupidity) #20

I read the Taubes book (it’s weirdly written, but good) a while back and am currently in The Obesity Code (which is REALLY well written), and then I’ll get to The Diabetes Code after a couple of others. We’re off interstate for the next few days to stay with friends, and the Kindle is loaded up.

(Wendy) #22

I did the audio books and had a hard time turning them off. I then bought the books for refrences. I loved Gary’s books. I did read Good Calories, Bad Calories first and Why We Get Fat is pretty much a simplified version of that.
Unless you understand this theory and what it’s based on its really hard to wrap your head around how you can eat more and still lose. Or why what you eat makes a huge difference.

(Wendy) #23

Eating less doesn’t, but once you are fat adapted for sure, and maybe when you aren’t, when you fast the body goes into a survival mode. You need to find food because none is coming in. When you lower the calories too much the body goes into a starvation mode and lowers the metabolism to conserve energy.
I don’t know that anyone can say if you burned x amount of calories you will burn this much if you fast but the whole hormonal response is different when you fast from when you eat.

(Wendy) #24

Also the more insulin resistant you are the longer fast you may need to get the insulin down. If insulin is up, no fat gets burned so yes if you eat more including too much fat, it will most likely get stored.
The nice thing is if you are producing ketones you can lose fat you don’t burn through pee, and breathing.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #25

No. If you drop your intake to 500 calories a day, the body will attempt to use only 500 calories a day. If you do that too long, your metabolism may never recover—this is apparently what happened to the “Biggest Loser” contestants in that follow-up study. Of course, there is a limit to how long you can fast without harming yourself, and it depends on how much excess fat you have to lose. There is also a maximum number of calories per pound of fat that you can metabolize in a day.

There is a famous case, that of the Scotsman, Angus Barbieri, who started at nearly four or five hundred pounds and fasted for slighlty longer than a year, until he was down to around 160 or so. Don’t try this at home: Barbieri did it under medical supervision and took the risk only because he was desperate. I believe they checked his blood work every so often and gave him supplements as needed. Barbieri successfully kept the weight off until he died, a few years later.