4 years on Keto - finding weight gain is harder to stop - tired of fasting

(Stickin' with mammoth) #40

Hovering between relief and sadness that there is another person just like me out there in the Ketoverse.

#41

If you are doing resistance training 5 days a week that could have the side effect of gaining lean body mass.

Maybe body weight is the wrong bio marker?

How are your clothes fitting? What is the change, over time, in your height to waist measurement ratio?

The weight lifters here probably have a whole list of other measures to measure health against. Are you feeling stronger?

Bio: I am 196cm tall and have Viking ancestors. I was 153kg, reduced to 113kg on CICO diet over a year. Returned to 135kg when I looked away for a few seconds. Started keto as my blood tests indicated a path to T2D. Reduced to 120kg over 6 months. Hit a few middle-aged male health hurdles and diet compliance wavered, and with it body weight. Am through the most recent health challenge and stuck to low carb ketogenic eating throughout. Lost 4 inches off my waist measurement while focussing on keto for pain relief. Back to swimming and surfing, and getting stronger (again) weekly. I’ve been keto for 7 years. I found it’s not a superpower. But it’s also very interesting and the best WOE for me at the moment. There is variety with in it to test different aspects. Currently I eat 2MAD for 5 days per week and OMAD for 2 days per week. Animal whole foods based keto. I’m physically active on a homestead property and stand a lot in my job. My personal trainer is a 2 year old Labrador. I am in the ocean as much as possible. I found the weight loss happened/happens when I focused more on regaining aspects of health or I had to build a long rammed earth and car tyre wall by myself with no machines.

(Rebecca ) #42

Me, too! Erikson (maiden name) from Sweden!! I don’t think I’m built like one though!:smile:

#43

OK ya did well on ‘jumping here and there’ and 'forced fasting to ‘diet down the lbs’ and I get that, I did that :slight_smile:

but believe me it won’t work long term.

All people can starve off lbs. We all been there, done that.

Now can ya keep it off longer term with ‘not jumping in and out’ of crazy type dieting to achieve results you want?

We don’t ‘know you’ at all. We don’t know your real food intake, or your ‘cheat days’ or your drinks or your life with mostly exercise or not doing it? Simple thing is we don’t know you :slight_smile: You been here since 2018 but I don’t know your past on this forum at all and your journey so I will say one thing, and ya ain’t gonna like it LOL

You are probably not following Keto Plan in its true form at all. Consistency on plan, long term is key to it all. STAY ON THE PLAN as it is meant to be and ‘it works’ but in 4 yrs if you HAD to force and then ‘forced more lbs’ off you are not truly ‘in that lifestyle eating change zone’…but I know ya might tell me you are :slight_smile: and I get it but in the end…do not lower fat intake.

In fact for you I recommend higher fat and meat protein intake.
ALOT more then you probably are doing but without your meal plan and how you roll on your macros and more I don’t know for real recommendation but to me, you are eating crap not keto, using ‘tricks, tips, forced fasting’ to gain ? results and then you just ain’t doing the consistency on plan to make it all work…to make the body truly healing and metabolically reset to better heatlh.

I know this is not a favorable post…but unless you start to see the long term picture here everything you did will be useless and you will gain it all back and you will find yourself starting over again.

Not hoping this is you but you are fighting your way forward, thru kinda the ‘wrong way’ ya know but you are also learning a ton while doing what you are doing.

Eat a ton more fat, eat a big amt of protein, and limit those carbs very very carefully into that total 20g range and a whole new life will open to you :slight_smile:

wishing you the best always!

(Robin) #44

Great quote from Tony Robbins. I don’t have what it takes to stay at a 7 out of 10. I need to be as close to 10 as possible. Otherwise, I cannot be trusted. Even by myself.

(Kirk Wolak) #45

Actually the plural of anecdote is Data! So, it fills my heart with Joy, personally. To not be alone.
But I also have GREAT empathy for your situation.

I would like to say “It’s not Fair”, but if I am being honest. I did HORRIBLE things to my body and my metabolism for 3-4 DECADES. So it feels like it is probably the punishment I earned! LOL.

The one UPSIDE is that SIMPLY KNOWING this, and NOT giving up, creates our opportunity. Like the kid with dyslexia who spends 5 times longer to read things, or switches to Audio Books, or PAYS someone to read the material to them… Because that’s the hand he was dealt… And succeeds despite the limitations…

We are officially the underdogs in this war… Let that be our rally cry. That if WE can discover the levers and our own kryptonite, that others may be able to learn from that.

Right now, I am looking outside… I want to get a walk in… I am feeling better. My inflammation is dropping… My wife just noticed how “Sharp” my ankles look, whereas a month ago, she was concerned over how she could barely see my ankle. (this is inflammation, it shows up on the scale as weight, and it can easily start becoming fat (IMO), but watching it go away reinforces the proper behavior).

(Todd Allen) #46

I’ve been keto for 6+ years and probably lost 200 lbs but I’m only down about 40 lbs from where I started. That sounds awful but it really isn’t too bad. The last five years I have been yoyo’ing up and down within about 10 lbs of my current weight. I have been more interested in improving body composition, ie more muscle and bone and less fat, than losing weight. Body comp is harder to judge but based on my appearance in photos and by dexa scans I have made some progress each year although not without set backs and net progress is modest.

I find my results impacted more by changes in exercise than diet although maybe because I do more experimentation with exercise. As for diet I have been influenced by the carnivore hype and have increased animal proteins and especially saturated fats since when I started keto. Nuts and seeds have been my biggest trigger for fat gain and when their intake is low everything else is easier. I have settled in to a routine of daily time restricted eating and of near fasting one day a week where I avoid solid food but have a little protein and fat in my morning coffee. When my weight creeps higher than I like I get a bit more aggressive with the fasting and when my weight is in a range I am ok with I relax on the fasting. Otherwise I mostly eat to satiety and not to daily calorie or macro targets.

I don’t see keto as a magic bullet that guarantees success but rather it has been a path for me in which success is possible so long as I pay attention and sustain a reasonable level of effort. And so far I haven’t found anything better.

(Stickin' with mammoth) #47

I was going to pull quotes but this whole response was just so damned good, I decided to highlight the entire thing. Bookmarking this.

PS: My twenties were a matter/antimatter experiment of spectacular physical condition coupled with the most depraved nutrition imaginable. It’s also when the first signs of metabolic syndrome hit me like Mack truck. Coincidence?

PPS: I just wish “underdogs” were paid for effort.

PPPS: Socks love cankles, why else would they hug them so tight?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #48

“Cankles”? You lost me there. Is that “ankles with canker sores”?

(Stickin' with mammoth) #49

My friend Google informs me that cankles are slang for when ankles are so swollen (typically due to edema) that they just sort of blend into one’s calves. He also informs me that you haven’t returned his calls.

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(Kirk Wolak) #50

It is derived from Calf + Ankle = Cankle. Meaning you CANNOT TELL where the Calf Ends and the Ankle Begins.

It is huge in Sever Edema, Diabetics, and obesity. Imagine, in my case, NOT seeing the ANKLE bone sticking out on either side. My shoe size was 3 sizes larger than it is today. Normally wrists and ankles don’t carry a lot of excess weight. But for some they do, and for MANY they have no idea it is Edema. (I knew dress socks left major indentations on my shin… Now I realize that was the first signs of inflammation and edema)

Paul… I love that you ask questions when you don’t know… As you post some of the best answers when you DO Know!

(Stickin' with mammoth) #51

He was just being facetious. And making dad jokes.

Edit: Turns out he wasn’t. Didn’t see that coming. My bad.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #52

Hey! There are plenty of things I don’t know! For example: where I put my glasses, where I left my coffee cup, why you kids call that stuff music, what’s wrong with today’s youts . . . . :grin:

(And why no one remembers any of the movies I’ve seen . . . )

(Stickin' with mammoth) #53

:neutral_face:

#54

I didn’t know the word cankles before… I have just checked and I don’t even have one cankle. But it’s just a sprained ankle, it’s swollen but healing and not THAT bad (still feels and looks so off!). I can wear my boots, they are very comfy ones with wriggle room but still show the not serious level.
A relative has cankles though along with diabetes and other problems.

Do you only have one coffee cup? I had 3 yesterday, it helped a lot :smiley:
(But my room is upstairs, I am lazy and have a swollen sprained ankle, I really needed them. Yesterday I finally could bring down my collected coffee cups from my room as my stability got better on my steep stairs.)

#55

only time I heard cankles was in that movie Shallow Hal.
his friend says to Hal something like… ya can’t really like looking at her cause she got cankles and I thought, what is that? being a gal ya think I woulda heard that one but I didn’t. I heard every fat joke implied to gal’s bodies I thought but this one was a new one on me.

(Rebecca ) #56

This was so inspiring!! There are so many aspects to good health markers, and the scale really isn’t one in my opinion! I have size 8 Levi’s that I couldn’t get past my upper thighs…now they are on but I just need an inch or 2 before I can zip them!

(Todd Allen) #57

I look forward to the day when doctors realize that body weight is a poor measure of health.

I have been taking monthly photos of my face and body. With digital photography the cost and effort is hardly more than stepping on a scale. A photo reveals a lot and a slide show of photos over time is a record of changing health. Even without medical training most anyone can look at photos and instantly sense if someone is doing well or headed for trouble. I think it has more meaning than most of what is in my medical records.

All Animal April
#58

When I was in Stockholm. On the clean and efficient public transport. People would chat to me in Swedish. I would answer them in Germglish. As I have a smattering of German to call upon, and could work out common words. They would speak perfect English straight away to my Italian-looking wife. I knew I was close to my ancestral home.

(Rebecca ) #59

I have curly, dark hair (with a few strands of gray, here and there) and green eyes. I don’t look Swedish at all!