30 Days & I Gained a Pound

(shane ) #21

Those cals and macros look to be a great starting point.

Follow them and track your weight loss. Keep in mind the first 2-3 weeks you might lose weight more rapidly then the following weeks.

Don’t panic on days you have a bounce on the scale. You are looking for your weight to trend down over time. It will look more like a mountain range on a graph than a free fall.

Don’t panic if you are not losing and throw out those macros. Make sure your tracking is accurate by the use of a food scale. If it is, and you are not losing, then you have a good idea of where your actual TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) is. Use this number to set your weight loss goal on. 500 calorie defict daily will net you a pound a week. You can’t eat less carbs than you are eating and your protein should be set on your LBM so you don’t want to mess with that so you will need to pull it from the fat calories you are eating.

I would start by taking a 100 calories away and see if that gets the scale to move. This is how I track macros and calories.

Keep in mind you will need to recalculate your macros and calories every 10 pounds you lose to account for needing less calories to maintain your NEW current weight.

Good luck.

(Jen) #22

I cannot track macros and calories, it drives me around the bend. Have you tried eating to satiety? I understand why people do it because we’ve been brainwashed on the whole calories in calories out model, to let go of that is really difficult but gives you so much more freedom. I eat practically no carbs, just whatever is in dairy, I’m probably more carnivore than keto. Have you tested for ketosis at all?

(Vanessa) #23

No, I haven’t tested for Ketosis yet. But I did lose 3 lbs. :yum:

(shane ) #24

Congrats!

(Raj Seth) #25

+1 on what Jen said. As I suggested in post 12 above, track nothing except be a carb Nazi. That allows your basal insulin to co e down.

Once your insulin, the fat storage, fat burn blocker, lepton blocker hormone is lowered, the magic can start. Slowly, since it’s been a while. The excess fat in your body will start to be mobilized. When that is being mobilized at an efficient rate, you are fat adapted. Symptoms? (As I experienced them)
Lack of appetite and hunger as you currently know it
Mental peace and clarity.
Accurate satiety signals when you DO eat
Visceral fat mobilization:- belly starting to shrink

(Vanessa) #26

Thank you!

(Vanessa) #27

Well said! Thank you.
Everyone here is so kind and patient. I appreciate that.

(Raj Seth) #28

Actually, we are obnoxious, self important, intolerant, egocentric boors. We are just faking it for you…:rofl:
Wait till you see what happens after your check clears… You did send in your check, right?

(Vanessa) #29

This is me: https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/30-days-i-gained-a-pound/54958

I got locked out of the forum and had to change my email to get back in.

Still no weight loss…LOL! In the next post I’ll tell you whats been going on.

(Vanessa) #30

My NP wasn’t getting my BG down. My A1C 3 months ago was 11.6. She kept saying she didn’t know what to do.
I ditched that NP and went to an NP Endocrinologist and she got the ball rolling. My BG is down to <120 on wake up and around 100 pre meals and post meals. My A1C is 8.8.
She put me on Tresiba at 35 units and I kept adding more till my BG came down. I was up to 64 units a day and she backed it off to 60 units. She said at 64 units I’d never loose any weight.
Here’s what medications I’m taking:
Tresiba- 60 units every evening
Trulicity- 1.5 grams weekly
Metformin- 2000 grams per day
Jardiance- 10 mg per day
I’ve been “Eating to my meter.”
I was checking my BG 4 times a day as prescribed. Charts are good for me so I can see progress.
Still no weight loss. Friday the Endocrinologist told me to stop checking my BG so much. Only check it maybe 3 days a week before each meal and at bedtime.
She also told me to start counting calories. Aim for 1200-1300 per day and do some walking.
I have had 2 visits with her. On the first visit she asked me what I eat and I told her LCHF. I had to explain to her what that means.
She asked me Why I’m eating that way and I told her because I feel good when I don’t eat pasta, brains or rice.
She rolled her eyes and said…Ok…(as if I’m fooling myself if I think LCHF actually does any good.) She told me- Eat all things in moderation. LOL@that. When I eat just one slice of bread my BG shoots way up!
And that’s where I am. I feel terrific. I have energy, no brain fog…just no weight loss. No lost inches. But I 'feel" less heavy. Is that even possible?

One more thing…I’m a Type 2 diabetic as you know. There’s a group on FB that I joined. And they are stricter than Keto because they say some Keto things will make my BG spike.
What do you all think?
I tossed and turned last night trying to decide whether the 1200 calorie a day is a good thing or not.
I realize this is long but you helped me the first time and I love you all for that!

(Parker the crazy crone lady) #31

Hi @Nessa2
That’s a really low amount of daily calories. Low enough to drop your metabolism, which you don’t want. I’m sure some more knowledgeable people here can give you links and more detailed information about that but if you read the whole thread, there are links to calculators which will show you a more healthy range to aim for.
Keto isn’t a quick weight loss fad. It’s a change to your entire way of eating that will probably take you out of T2D eventually. It has for a great many people. It will help, if not outright repair, many systems in your body. But! This takes time, especially for older women. It does work, though.
Please take time to read through various threads here, as you can learn a lot, and things will sort of firm up in your mind as to how this works. You’ll find both personal experiences, as well as studies in Show Me The Science.
I feel better eating this way. I’m getting healthier, and losing weight. You will too, but it sounds like you need more information to get you going. That you feel better is awesome!

(Susan) #32

The Stevia and the ranch dressing might be causing some trouble, as the artifical sweeteners tend to cause trouble for some people and the ranch dressing might have sugar or vegetable oils in it.

Maybe try to get rid of both of these and good luck =).

(Vanessa) #33

I haven’t used Ranch dressing or even eaten a salad for well over a month. The only thing I use Stevia in is my BPC in the morning. Thank you for your help.

(Bunny) #34

If you can lose 2 pounds of actual body fat a week that would be miraculous (…like walking on water?) and is a slam dunk guarantee you will gain it all back again and have extreme difficulty every time you do try to do it again.

Although I must admit It can be done but you would need to have a pretty good idea on what your doing to do it right without damaging your metabolism.

(Raj Seth) #35

I would say that 1200 a day is way too low.
Virta has published their study showing how quickly one can see results when eliminating/reducing carbohydrate intake. And it is NOT from weight loss. Its from removing the carbs, that you can’t tolerate, from your diet.

After starting hard core Keto - I found myself cutting my max dose glimepiride (sulfonylurea) in 1/2 in 7 days, and eliminating it in 2 weeks. I hung on to my max dose metformin (2000/day) for a month before halving that. 2 months after starting Keto, I eliminated all medications - my A1c had come in at 6.0 from 7.5 pre keto.

As opposed to the usual disclaimer (results not typical), I’d venture to say that these results ARE typical and commonplace.

Keto works best when you don’t ease into it, rather you lean into it HARD. It is also easier to transition to keto if you go whole hog. And after a couple weeks of it, the results can be so difficult-to-believe-stunning you can’t help with stay with it. :grinning:

So what comprises “Leaning Hard into Keto” : the standard 2Ketodudes mantra: limit your carbs to under 20gm/day, and get most of your daily energy from FAAAAAAAT
That is it. Don’t calorie restrict - eat to satiety. Let your hormonal changes happen - and let your body heal.

WARNING: given your cocktail of drugs raising your insulin to sky high levels, if you do decide to go this route - you will need medical guidance to keep you from getting hypo. Virtahealth.com has published data on how fast this happens - and its counted in days and weeks - not months and years.
I’m not a doctor, and can’t give you medical advice - you need to get that from your medical team.
Eliminating carbs without managing your insulin raising medications (Tresiba and Trulicity) can, I am quite sure, create a health hazard.

(Vanessa) #36

I’m sorry for being so dense.
I did Keto for a month. Did I buy Kerry butter? No. But I did it as best I could. I didn’t lose weight or inches but I felt much, much better. It seemed too difficult for me to continue Keto because I was getting to the place I needed to count macro’s or something so I switched to LCHF and cater it to a Type 2 diabetic.
Can you please tell me in steps what exactly it is I need to do?
I have my BG numbers down now. I feel great. I’m just not losing weight.
If I could be healthy staying at 222 I would because I feel good. But I know I need to lose weight I
just don’t know how.
I had all my lab work done and nothing suggests why I’m not losing weight.
I am so mad, angry, upset, etc.
I want to get off of this roller coaster and get to doing something I can depend on for my entire life.
I’m just at my wits end because I don’t know what to do and the advice from the endocrinologist hasn’t helped one bit.
If it was that easy- 1200-1300 calories eating everything in moderation but its not.
Do I continue eating LCHF and stay at 1300 calories or what?
I test my BG about 3 times a day now so I don’t think I’ll go Hypo but I may.
Why in the world would my endocrinologist tell me to only check my BG about 3 days a week?
OMG, thank you SO much.

(Susan) #37

@Nessa2

Hi Vanessa, welcome to the forum.

If you are eating 20 grams or less of carbs a day, NO Sugar (many of us have had to eliminate sugar substitutes of all sorts as well to get results), eating enough protein, healthy fats, drinking atleast 64 ounces of water a day (many of us drink more) and keeping your electrolytes up (which is very important as well on Keto) then you should be able to lose weight. Have you tried no snacking, eating on a schedule of say no breakfast, and having lunch at noon and supper at 6pm? This is called IF and it would have your body fasting for 18 hours of the day, which makes your body burn fat better. If you do all those things, you should start losing weight =). Dont’ be so obsessed with calories, carbs are way more important, if you eat enough, you will feel satisfied and have energy between eating. Good luck, and keep us posted =)).

(Vanessa) #38

Hear is a typical day of eating:
BPC for breakfast. Sometime around 1pm I may eat a chicken leg quarter that’s been fried in bacon grease or butter.
For supper I may have some fresh green beans with bacon and some onion and spices.
If I do eat anything after that it’s usually Lowry’s microwave pork rinds or some blueberries.
I did this for 2 months. No weight or measurement loss but I feel 100 times better than I did.
It doesn’t make sense to me.
I joined a group on FB that caters to nothing but Type 2 diabetes.
They say, “Eat to your meter.”
I was doing that and I felt great. Then the NP told me to stop that and start counting calories.
The groups woe is stricter than keto because we are to eat to our meter.
That was working for me. No weight loss but I felt great and all the little nasty things that come along with Type 2 diabetes went away.
Nasty things being an angry red under arm rash that didn’t go away until I got my BG down and I have some kind of psoriasis in both ears. It goes away when I eat to my meter.
So I have decided to eat to my meter as I know for sure that is healthy.
Thank you.

(Susan) #39

I don’t think that you are eating enough calories.

What is BPC? If I was you I would try to do lunch around 12 then supper 5:30 and then not eat from 6pm-12pm next day. giving your body 18 hours to live on that food, and burn the fat. Try to eat protein at noon, cooked in fat, and maybe a small spinach/romaine lettuce salad with a no sugar, no bad fat dressing.

Then protein for supper, and some asparagus, or cauliflower that is cooked in olive oil with it. If you are drinking a minimum of 64 ounces of water a day with this, and taking in Electrolytes as well, you should start losing weight, and changing shape.

I have been doing Keto since February and I have never used any strips, or monitors, etc I just follow what I told you only on a 20:40 window (I eat at 1pm and 4:35) and my 20 hours not eating a day is 5:00pm-1:00pm. I did the 18:6 for a while before going to 20:4 though.

I also do Fasting a few times a week, but don’t worry about that until you are in full Ketosis, and Fat Adapted and are ready for that =).