3 grapes

(Prancing Pony) #1

I have an allotment (a rented garden space for the American members) which has a well established grape vine on it. Now I don’t eat the grapes as I’m keto but I wanted to see if they were edible yet to bring home to my husband as they have just started to turn purple. I ate 3 in the process of finding the acceptable colour shade to pick. This was enough to make my excellent fasting glucose go from average 4.7 (84) to 5.9 (107).
Only for one day of course but I wanted to post about it because back in the day I used to think tiny amounts of fruit were ok because I was under the 20g carb limit. Fruit really is bad for me and might be for you too so always check :wink:

Ps. I’m not diabetic just a chonk😂

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #2

I agree with you. I think many underestimate how much sugar (fructose) is actually in fruit and how much of it they consume, mistakenly thinking “Oh, it’s just so little it’s OK”. Especially when one does not weigh portions. Or one does not monitor glucose to determine exactly the effect.

(Lazy, Dirty Keto 😝) #3

A valuable lesson. People try to tell me that “any diet that doesn’t allow fruit isn’t healthy” :roll_eyes: I know we can have berries in small quantities, but I haven’t touched fruit since I started Keto a year ago.

I’ll never forget when I first stared Keto, about 2 months in I had a fun size kit kat candy bar from my daughter’s Halloween candy. So 2 of the “sticks” of a kit kat, whereas normally there are 4 of them when you buy a kit kat from the gas station or grocery store. I almost passed out an hour or so later while I was standing up hanging up clothes. I felt very lightheaded and fell backwards into my bedroom door. Lesson learned :sweat_smile:

(Mark Rhodes) #4

For three years I had nada, zilch. None of the fruits our keto community deemed as inappropriate to the diet. This year as my metabolic flexibility returned I had an apple off of my apple tree. twice.

No harm the following day, everything back to what it was.

(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #5

Bad luck with the grapes! It’s the unplanned nibbles that get me every time. I was cooking this afternoon ahead of a lunch I’m hosting on Wednesday. Keto soup (broccoli, leeks, cream cheese, basil) and mousse (cream, cream cheese, lemon, lime, Splenda).

I nibbled some of the broccoli (okay, several florets), and tasted a spoonful of the finished soup to check the seasoning. I had a teaspoon of cream cheese, and a dessert spoon of the finished mousse.

I didn’t take any extra insulin to cover what I’d nibbled (I’m type 1).

Two hours later I’d gone from 6.2 to 10.4. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:
Remember, that was from veg, cheese and a smidge of keto pudding!

I don’t think any of my non-keto non-diabetic friends have any clue about the insulin requirements their bodies have whenever they eat grapes - or broccoli!

:flushed:

(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #6

I’m starting to wonder about the effect of broccoli and zucchini on me. I may try eating eating it by itself (cooked in butter) to see what it does to me.

My glucose seems better without veggies, but I don’t have any conclusive n=1 proof yet.

(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #7

Same here! For me that translates into: the heavier in veg my meals are, the more insulin I need to take to keep my blood sugar in a straight line.

:slightly_smiling_face:

(Bunny) #8

Was wondering how long after you ate the three grapes did you take your BG? Because the fructose in grapes is absorbed more slowly although you may be seeing higher BG numbers it does not create huge and sudden insulin spikes or surges, as insulin and blood sugars (natural fructose) act independently sometimes. (e.g. like fruit juice not encased inside its own skin will create huge insulin spikes that’s when it does not act independently)

Even Avocados have low amounts of natural fructose!

High fructose corn syrup (the man made stuff) will not trigger insulin at all but will store it directly as visceral fat if Choline levels are low and your liver is not producing enough Choline or there is not enough Choline in the diet like the Lecithin in eggs or animal liver?

(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #9

I was wondering the same thing. Its one thing if it was over 15 minutes, but another if it was over 2 or 3 hours. Also, could your BG have been trending up anyway? I’ve noticed that mine tends to peak around the same one (or so) hour window on a regular basis.

(Prancing Pony) #10

Both were morning fasting glucose so the lower was the morning before the grapes (a typical average on my current diet) and the higher was the fasting the next day, so about 14 hours after the grapes.

I’ve been testing morning fasting glucose religiously for a couple of months and can see a direct link between certain foods and amounts of macros and the following day’s reading.

(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #11

That’s too much time in between to know for sure that it was the grapes (IMO). Usually when I am testing something I ate I’ll check at T0 (right before eating), T30 (30 minutes later), T60 (1 hour after), and T120 (2 hours later). Sometimes I’ll add in a T15 (15 minutes later), just to see if something started changing around then.

If you are up for it, maybe test again with the parameters above? It would give much more accurate look.

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I only eat supper, so I’m fasting starting when I get up in the morning, and you can see that my glucose changes throughout the day without having eaten anything.