2 weeks into Keto, gained 6/7 pounds!?


(Sam) #22

Okay, so I’m looking for around 90g per day then. Damn, I had a look at the Keto Reddit and some of the info on their FAQ is a bit wrong.

The Keto Reddit’s FAQ must be a bit skewed, it’s claiming 0.8-1.4 per lean Ib!! Thanks for the assistance, I’m going to lower my protein to 90g per day and up my fat intake to 100g minimum, man it’s gonna be hard to hit these macros! Butter and cheese on everything I guess…


#23

To be fair there is some debate on the protein thing. Some will say as high as 1.5 grams per kilo of lean mass but that would still have you at around 140 grams and most people here would probably agree that’s pretty high. Early on I’d go low (90 ish) until you see how your body reacts. As with many things keto there are some drastic individual differences regarding protein intake and ketosis. My take is to go pretty extreme in the beginning. That rules out the obvious things that can be hindering the fat adaptation process. Once you get fat adapted and you have good baseline numbers you can start tweaking your diet as most of have needed to do. As for upping the fat…you’d be surprised how much Kerrygold butter can be absorbed into a few handfuls of broccoli :+1:t5:


(G. Andrew Duthie) #24

Sam, you may want to reconsider the caloric deficit idea. Your first goal should be to get your body burning fat for fuel, which means your need to eat more fat, to sateity, while keeping carbs below 20g, and protein reasonable.

Here’s why. In all likelihood your insulin levels are high enough to prevent you using much of your body fat. Until you get the insulin under control, reducing calorie intake can result in metabolic slowdown.

By eating more fat until you feel full, your body will tell you when it can start using more of your stored fat.

Good luck.


(Linda Culbreth) #25

Andrew, I totally agree with you. Up the fat - hey bacon grease is also good on the broccoli and eggs and everything else, too.

Sam, take a look of some of Butter Bob’s videos. They are really good full of practical science. http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #26

Dr. Stephen Phinney, who coined the phrase “nutritional ketosis,” stresses the importance of keeping protein moderate, carbs low, and eating fat to satiety. Too much protein will result in the excess getting converted to glucose, thus stimulating insulin production. Carbohydrate above a certain amount also stimulates insulin production. The exact amount varies from person to person. Dr. Phinney calls anything below 100 to 125 grams a day low-carb, but a lot of people are so insulin-resistant that these forums recommend an upper limit of 20 grams to ensure that you get into ketosis. But the key is not to restrict calories, because the body reacts to calorie restriction by slowing down your metabolism instead of burning fat. So all those carbs you’re not eating? Replace them with fat!

If you do that, your body will tell you when you’ve had enough at each meal, and it will then start burning both the fat you’re eating and your body fat. One study even had a participant who still lost body fat even while eating as much as 3,000 calories a day, almost all of it fat. So contrary to the received wisdom and government guidelines, fat is your friend, not your enemy.


(Val Bundy) #27

I am new around here but I feel like from everything I have read and listened to that your fat intake should be higher than your protein intake…

I have also read that if you are taking in more protein your body will convert that into sugars by gluconeogenesis…I hope I spelled that right?! But basically once your body has eaten through the carbs for the day it will start turning your proteins into sugars…at least that is my understanding of why we want fat to be our main nutrition source…

like I said i’m new around here…so does this sound right to everyone else?


(Carpe salata!) #28

Yes. It’s good to have a firm grounding in these basics so that you are working off ‘first principles’ and not someone else’s recipe. The message I get here is to vary things how you like but monitor how it affects you.

I was OMAD last week. Decided to go higher calorie Friday, went out to a degustation meal with white wine Friday night (leaving as much carb on the plate as I could get away with is mashed potato, bread etc). Had a small bowl of ice cream Saturday (oops :wink: ) plenty of keto food and 2 glasses of red. Definitely at satiety all the weekend. On Sunday after a super omelet with mortadella and cheese I was at my lowest plateau-range weight. A good place to start next week’s OMAD.

Keto: sometimes it doesn’t make sense . Do your n=1.