150 g carbs and still in ketosis . Umm what

(Kellie) #1

Okay how is that possible . I tried carb cycling today . Ate healthy carbs - oatmeal , rice , fruit. Although I didn’t eat a whole lot of food I still ate everything unketo but healthy still and tonight I tested my blood ketone level and it said 1.0 so I’m still in ketosis . How is that even possible ? I should be kicked out right?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

It depends on what your personal carbohydrate tolerance is. Obviously you didn’t make enough insulin to stop ketone production. Remember that we recommend 20 g/day only because it’s a number low enough to put everyone but the most insulin-resistant into ketosis. It’s not a magic number, in fact it’s quite arbitrary.

(Kellie) #3

I could have sworn I read on numerous websites it said anything over 100 for sure will kick you out. I am not a active person or athlete so the fact that I ate that many carbs and remained in shocks me… maybe I’m just lucky

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

There are actually people who can eat all the carbohydrate they want and never develop insulin resistance (Dr. Phinney estimates them at about 20% of the population). And earlier videos of Dr. Phinney have him talking about people eating 100-125g and getting into ketosis. So people’s carb tolerances vary greatly. Just be glad you’re okay, and keto on! :bacon:

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #5

I went out on the weekend and enjoyed some fair-food, a dagwood dog and a strawberry icecream.
After that we went to a bar and had a brioche style hamburger with fries.
I’m entirely fat adapted, so in the evening I checked my ketones and they were at 0.2mmol.
My readings are notoriously low since adapted so I assumed I was still in Ketosis.
Couldn’t confirm that tho!

(Kellie) #6

Isn’t 0.2 out though? Because I thought ketosis was 0.5 and higher up to like 3 or 4.

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #7

Nah, I’m still in ketosis. I am fat adapted. I can’t get large numbers unless I fast for DAYS.
My body is pretty efficient at using those ketones im producing so I don’t get big numbers.

(TJ Borden) #8

It’s also possible that a one day spike wasn’t enough to knock you out. That doesn’t mean, necessarily, that a prolonged daily intake at 150 won’t knock you out. Of course if you are able to maintain 150 grams a day prolonged and remain in ketoaide, then there are many of us here that will be super jealous and won’t want to talk to you anymore :grin:

(Kellie) #9

Oh I see , I’m usually from 1.8-2.2

(Kellie) #10

Haha I don’t think I will do this again , I feel bloated and my tummy feels weird. Also foods don’t taste the same as I remember . I was expecting fireworks and all this glory and it was just blah . I’m just going to stick with full keto for now but it was cool to try out

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #11

I became adapted after the 5th week
I’m only 31 and have no metabolic issues, no insulin sensitivity or resistance and have no health issues other than Asthma.
I’ve barely dieted in my lifetime so my body seemed to accept Keto as a way of life very early on.
I got worried that I couldn’t get higher ketone readings so I did a science expierment on myself for 2 weeks and ate 0 carbs, the highest reading i’ve ever gotten was 1.1mmol. Strange hey.

(Kellie) #12

I guess it’s true that we are all different :joy: I know some people who haven’t been able to lose weight on keto and I lose about 2 pounds a week , Iv lost 30 pounds and am at a healthy bmi now but would like to lose another 20. I feel like Iv lost weight quick . Been 3 months 3 weeks

(TJ Borden) #13

Every time I …indulge, that’s exactly what I find too. We went to a Mongolian restaurant yesterday for lunch (which is super easy to do Keto), but I was in a “fuck it, I’ll do what I want mood”, and got some noodles too. I had a few and then found myself unconsciously picking around them for the pieces of meat.

(Kellie) #14

I just want to eat pork chops and avocados and eggs and salad . Literally that’s all I eat and all I want to eat lol it’s so weird . I had a bite of bread the other day just to see what it was like and it taste like nothing. My taste buds are so different now , I love bitter things I find them almost sweet

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #15

I was naughty this morning and got a sausage and egg mcmuffin, it tasted like cardboard and smelt worse. Ew.

(TJ Borden) #16

That used to be my favorite. I used to get two meals in the morning, one with coffee and one with OJ, in the hopes the person at the window would assume I was grabbing breakfast for two… I wasn’t :pensive:

(Ron) #17

Hey TJ, like the beard, looks good!:+1::wink:

(Ellie) #18

How soon after eating did you measure? I wonder if they were residual ketones. Would be interesting to know what levels you measures 24 hours later.
Looks like you got away with a mini-splurge but, like me, found it isn’t all you remembered it being.

(Kellie) #19

In the morning at 8 I had oatmeal with strawberys and blueberry and 2 bananas . Lunch I had chicken teriyaki rice bowl and then I had somd dark chocolate later on . I really wasn’t hungry so maybe I didn’t have 150 carbs but I was well over 100 . I checked my ketone level at 8 pm so 12 hours after I first ate , and probably 7 hours from lunch but I did eat the chocolate 2 hours before testing

(German Ketonian) #20

Have you checked your BG levels? I don’t get kicked out and maintain levels beyond 200g of carbs (depend on the type, of course), because my body just doensn’t produce insulin enough to stop ketone production. However, my BG levels the morning after are quite elevated: around 120, which is VERY high for my case.

An additional factor in this body incapacity to spike insulin is adaptive glucose sparing. Even if you edxcite insulin excretion shortly, if you’re adapted and metabolically healthy, your tissue will largely refuse to take up the glucose. I often end up with high blood glucose (around 100-120 in the morning) AND high ketone numbers (I’ve seen anything from 2,5-8,5 mmol/L) if I had many carbs or very high protein intake. I this case, insulin probably is still low, as large amounts of ketones are flowing in my veins and the liver is still metabolizing fat (see Dr. Bikman’s suggestion that ketone production is a nice reverse-relationship proxy for insulin levels).