Zero Carb - How close is too far?

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#21

Boredom. I like a beautiful Ribeye with the best of them, and could absolutely eat one every day if I could afford to, but ONLY meat? Couldn’t do it. Meat’s a HUGE part of my diet, and I’m not afraid of protein either, I’ve been shooting for ~250g/day lately but I couldn’t ONLY eat meat.

(bulkbiker) #22

Try it… you’ll find it surprisingly easy I bet…

#23

Did it for 3 weeks just to see how I felt back when I was stalled indefinately, by week 2 I was craving all type of things I never crave by week 3 I was trying not to bash my head of everything I could find.

(Ideom) #24

As people have commented above, it’s an individual thing, maybe it affects you, maybe not. Onions overall get pretty “carby” pretty fast - a cup of chopped onion will have around 15 grams of carbs. But scallions are only about 1 gram of carbohydrate each.

(Vic) #25

I have been reading some of these carnivore threads, I don’t think I could ever go full Carno

I could get close, Most times I eat 85% or better meat vrs other things throughout the day, Typically I don’t eat Bfast but for lunch I generally have Hard boiled eggs bacon and swiss And I BBQ as much as I can for dinner, I have leaned meats since I started Keto

I have seen a lot of info as of late and veggies and anti nutrients, and really cut a lot of it out though I like the avocados a bit But I could get passed that too

I would like the benefits mentioned But I just dont think I could eat organs or give up coffee, I could get 90% Carno but dont think I could go 100%

#26

No need to give up coffee. Lots of carnivores drink it, it’s not the strictest version but it’s not like eating a vegetable dish…
Not everyone eats organ meat either. And it’s fine if you don’t go full carnivore. It’s your way of eating and everyone is different, do whatever works for you. Things even may change in the future. One year ago I couldn’t imagine eating meat every week or ever skipping my beloved vegetables for a whole day… :smiley: Now I have an aversion towards vegetables (except in very small amounts) and it would be odd not to eat meat for a day (but I still focus on my precious eggs). I rarely have a proper carnivore day and it’s not my goal to do it perfectly ever, I just want to feel right but these things don’t seem to change, I stick to these new automatic rules now. I never rushed or forced it. It just happened. So be open and try out things. It’s not black or white, if your personal shade of gray works, great :wink:

(bulkbiker) #27

If only you’d carried on for the full 30 days that is recommended you’d probably be a carni now…

(Bob M) #28

This is one of those “if only you’d done it the RIGHT WAY, you would have liked it”. If only you could have eaten less and exercised more… If only you could have had your fat lower and your carbs higher… If only you would have tried plant based for longer…

I find it difficult to believe that someone trying things three weeks would have a different result if only they’d gone another week.

I personally give things “long enough” to find out what happens. That time depends on what I’m doing, but if I went carnivore for 3 weeks and experienced detriments, I would not have gone another week.

(bulkbiker) #29

Except that almost all the major carnivore sites and proponents recommend 30 days of beef, salt and water to start.
I included a few more types of meat when I started but followed that regime myself so… my own experience would lead me to recommend it.
It’s like people giving up halfway through keto flu then saying it doesn’t work for them…

#30

Nah, way too restrictive. I wouldn’t rule it out here and there to rule things out and it’s pretty much close to what I do when I do PSMF’s but even doing the cheat version of carni that so many do with selective non meats in there is still way too restrictive to me. I enjoy food too much to eat that little of a selection. Even if that selection includes Ribeye’s.

(Bob M) #31

It doesn’t really matter what people recommend. If it doesn’t work in 3 weeks, it doesn’t work. What “magical” thing could happen in 1 week? Nothing. (Assuming you’re going from keto to carnivore, since you’re fat burning anyway; going from high carb to carnivore – or keto – might be different.)

I think the carnivore diet is getting this mythology around it that is unjustified. You no longer hear the many people who tried it and hated it. Instead, you get all the people saying “you didn’t do it correctly” or “you didn’t do it long enough” or “you ate X too, which obviously invalidates everything else you did”.

I see people who put themselves into the hospital on carnivore, and no one says “Maybe you shouldn’t be doing carnivore right now”. Instead, they try to figure out what the person did “wrong”. It’s their fault, not the diet’s.

Maybe it’s the diet’s?

(bulkbiker) #32

How… with what?

I think from these forums we can see that isn’t true but whatever you wish to believe…

#33

this is important on what Mark said.

heck the ‘normal back then recommendation’ is a full 90 days but it has been lessened down to 30 cause hell, people won’t do a friggin’ day without instant gratification toward their changes let alone a month and carnivore even takes more time than that. ZC resets our lives and it won’t happen in 3 weeks or 2 or 1 or even 45 days for some. TOO individual and each of us must walk the walk IF WE desire true change and benefits. Key here is time, heck the population won’t give time for anything nowadays, instant magic perfect weight and health pill is what everyone wants :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Mark hit it, time is needed on this plan and doing the right way, not 1/2-azzed at all. But if people don’t understand then they fail the plan, not themselves as they should but hey it is what it is out there :slight_smile: One goes 30 days all in, yes changes can be seen and truths can be noticed for many, but not all, time is key on zc point blank. It is time on plan, it is doing it correctly, it is dropping the other plans we think work and going all in but again, people won’t do that so……they scream excuses about the plan and not where the excuses should lie…and not saying we aren’t individuals who need time and more for real changes to go down, but stop the ‘I did a week’ and it sucks BS on this plan as with I seen many say Keto sucks a week in also LOL or general low carb so…….AND how many never give one minute to learning WHY they are heading in a certain direction? Why a very low carb or zero carb plan works and goes off and puts in some time into learning some science and info on what they attempt to do in depth and at this point, I blame the person wanting so much yet never giving any time into why or how or what or research or more on a personal level to make their changes a real solid theory of what they desire in life. Nutrition and more. Come on…

#34

he is referring to a poster that has some heart troubles and more ? with trying carnivore but does ok thru changes but still has ‘personal medical’ issues that are being dealt with so that is a very personal case happening. That is what I think the reference is about. And nothing says carnivore actually did that so??

#35

I am patient but if I feel not wonderful, I quit…
We have different approach and it’s fine.
Some changes happen after a long time. Like on keto, I needed 7 weeks in ketosis to see big changes (just because there is probably no extra fat adaptation stuff on carnivore, some people surely need a long time to feel better. health, past diet, personal factors, surely some people need much time).
But if someone suffers… I liked keto, there were hardships but no suffering.
(I would suffer for a while if I was very sick and I would think something probably helps me. Let such thing never happen, it’s unhealthy for a hedonist.)

We have the prerogative to decide what we are willing to do with your own woe.
We just can’t extrapolate. We can’t have much idea what would have happen if we continue.

But I agree, the diet can be wrong for someone. Of course. There are no diet that is good for everyone.
There was a time when I totally needed more carbs to function properly. Too little carbs caused very serious problems very soon. For me as I didn’t feel right. It’s serious enough :slight_smile: And now I need my carbs to be low. I changed. Some people probably needs much carbs forever. Or some plants for some reason I can’t comprehend… The human body should work just fine on carnivore but it’s not this simple for the individual.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #36

I’d like to urge people to reconsider their thoughts about people who try a ZC/carnivore diet and then abandon it. While it is true that perhaps the full benefit of the diet cannot be realised without a sustained trial period, many people these days are experimenting with it out of curiosity, not out of a particular need to eat that way. I don’t see the harm if they give up “too soon.”

I suspect that someone with a serious health problem that is aggravated by plant-based foods is going to be more strongly motivated to persist, and they are probably the ones who should be encouraged to get past any immediate difficulties and give the way of eating a more sustained trial.