WTF! Why am I gaining if I’m not eating carbs

(Karl) #21

Amen.

There’s plenty of N=1 blog posts made by people showing the results of 5000 calories/day in fat versus 5000 calories/day carbs. Yes, the difference is dramatic in how much weight is gained - but BOTH tests usually result in a gain in weight with that much food consumed.

I really wish people would stop saying things like “calories don’t matter” or “throw out your scale, it’s lying to you”. People interpret these statements…incorrectly (to be kind about it).

How much food you eat matters. Overeating is overeating. Some of us have mixed-up satiety signals, and we have to account for that somehow. That’s why I always throw out some caution when people generalize the statement of “eat fat to satiety”.

The number on your scale might matter to you - it might not. Maybe measurements are better for you. But that scale number is a metric like any other, and to say “it doesn’t matter” will mean very little when you step on one during your physical required to qualify you for a decent life insurance policy.

Bashing CICO is also pointless. CICO isn’t “bad” or “wrong”. It just “is”. It’s an arithmetic issue, and it’s kind of pointless arguing against simple math. The problem (as I see it) is when people don’t apply the principles of how differently your body reacts to carbs versus fat. But that doesn’t make CICO any less valid from an arithmetic standpoint. Maybe you can eat 3500 calories a day when it’s 90% fat and 9% protein (versus only 2500 calories a day when it’s the SAD.) It doesn’t make “CICO” any less valid.

(Paula Green) #22

@IceNine I love that you say “how differently your body reacts to carbs versus fat” with regard to calories.

I’ve found this myself. I can eat 2200 cals of low carb real food and maintain or sometimes lose (if I’m exercising a lot) weight. But if I eat this amount of cals of crap food the weight piles on. I’ve got a point where I don’t count calories any more - for the sake of my mental health - but I do think they matter.

(rosa) #23

I track my keto, i do both urine and blood and doesn’t matter how high my fat count is I struggle to pass 0.6 mml in the blood. how do i get myself in to keto?

(What The Fast?!) #24

0.6 ketones is definitely in nutritional ketosis. Don’t chase ketones, chase fat loss. :slight_smile:
That being said, from personal experimentation, I can tell you there are a few ways to increase ketones:

  1. Fasting. Fast for a day or two, your ketones will shoot up.
  2. Working out - specifically endurance workouts, and don’t eat right after.
  3. Lower carbs and increase fat. I used to be under 0.8 ketones all the time. I recently started doing 10g TOTAL carbs, 80% fat, and the rest protein, and my ketones are through the roof. I’ve been keto for over a year, they are way higher with this super high fat ratio and minimal carbs.
(Auden) #25

I had a lot of trouble too, until I started dipping each bite of meat into melted salted Kerry gold butter. It’s the easiest way to get fat for me, and it really does help with satiety.

(rosa) #26

wow!! definitely will try. I did increase my fat intake maybe it takes a bit more time for it to kick in

(rosa) #27

what is CICO?

(What The Fast?!) #28

CICO = calories in, calories out

I would track your calories/macros for a few days (if you’re not already) to see what your real percentages are. A lot of times people are eating more protein (or more carbs) than they think.

#29

Yes. In part I think this is why too many have unrealistic expectations about fast weight loss with keto. That coupled with ample reports of those lucky people who have lost great deals of weight quickly.

Keto is beneficial way of eating for so many reasons, but we are each individuals who have to work out our own puzzle. Some fall right into their solution right out the gate. Others take longer for a great many reasons.

#30

The problem is when people talk in absolutes, and make claims, giving instructions and announcing ‘This WILL work’ ‘For EVERYONE’.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

The tragedy is that it happens on the furthest edge of both sides of nearly every disagreement.

(Hoteski) #31

Is it that time of the month or due to be that time of the month ? I can easily put on 4-6lp in the week leading up to the time of periods. It will stay there and then day after it stops the weight goes as quickly as it came on… just like that … over night. Just a thought … It’s usually the first thing I think off when women complain on putting several pounds on overnight.

(Linda ) #32

I’m going to say that I’ve been looking at sources on Leptin. Leptin turns on / off the “I’m starved, so let’s conserve glucose” mechanism–save glucose, don’t expend glycogen stores, don’t lose fat.

Eating enough fat and calories would keep the leptin switch on and allow for the fat burning of stores. However, as others noted elsewhere, calories do count. I estimate that they start to count after glycogen depletion. I’ve never been comfortable with more than a 250-300 calorie deficit for dieting.

I re-read Lyle McDonalds discussion on Leptin and P-Ratios. Google Keywords: P-ratios lyle mcdonald and read his thoughts on that notion.

For anyone unfamiliar with this science guy, McDonald focuses on relatively quick, short term weight loss for bodybuilding contest preparation. At least one of his publications is for longer term usage. His ideas always revolve around a low calorie / low fat approach. I’ve been skeptical about the notion of re-feeds–they’re not likely a good solution for me. And Cyclical approaches are complicated.

I also poked around in my Bulletproof book on VIP something or other and Leptin. That guy is way down into the science so I felt like that discussion was a rabbit hole.

P-ratios I get, the VIP stuff, was overload. Anyhow, the upshot here is see if the Body Recomposition discussions on P-Ratios are of any help.

Linda

(KCKO, KCFO) #33

@KetoLikeaLady has pretty much answered that one.

Personally, I found for me, Intermittent Fasting and Expended Fasting helped with the fat loss. I now use a lot of avocado oil and coconut oil. For exercise, I had to cut down I was going to the fitness center 5 days a week, walking minimum of 10K steps per day, doing some hiking on the weekends. Once I cut down to 2 days at the fitness center, some occasional video workouts with dumbbells and the walking worked for me too. I use a cheap breathealyzer and I stay in nutritional ketosis pretty much all the time now. Very rarely do i drop out.

And don’t forget the fat It really is your best friend if you use healthy fats, saturated, avocado, coconut, nut oils, and olive oil.

All the best getting yourself sorted out.

(Jay AM) #34

This is one of the biggest problems I see often. People lower carbs and then try eating protein with a side of fat to satiety. It’s fat to satiety, not protein. Keto isn’t a protein free for all. It much harder to hit that “not another bite” point with protein and it doesn’t last as long. We have a good example here now where Carl reduced his protein and upped his fat to break a 1.5 year stall. Of course, calorie restricting always works to lose weight in the short term. We can see that everywhere like the Biggest Loser. But, it has to be maintained or the weight is regained along with the metabolic damage.

(Jay AM) #35

I think Dr. Fung has a different idea of how and when they count.

https://idmprogram.com/first-law-thermodynamics-irrelevant/

(Dan Dan) #36

I Love You All :heart_eyes::heart::two_hearts:

Thank You for Sharing Your Personal n=1 (science in the wild) which I believe is just as valid as any science done in a lab because it accounts for our crazy wild lives :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Here are the main principals that I have learned and they are all equally important :thinking:

Control Insulin

Become Fat Adapted

Keep metabolism high (don’t calorie restrict every day)

Mix it up (don’t allow the body to get used to a routine)

Learn how to eat to make it comfortably to your next meal (using all principals)

‘It’s a Life Long Journey’ ( It’s not a race or marathon It takes time for lasting results )

Understand everyone is different (everyone is in a different place on this journey what works for someone else may not work for you right now or have the same results)

IF/EF Keto WOE are tools of Self-Discovery which leads to Self Mastery

“May the Force (fat adaption) be with you” :wink:

Good luck and much success in your journey in IF/EF Keto WOE :grin:

(Dan Dan) #37

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(Todd Allen) #38

I have huge respect for the big losers. I think “fortunate” rings truer than “lucky” which diminishes the focus and effort most make to achieve their goals. I recognize some are unfortunate and despite their efforts are still finding success elusive probably due to more challenging health issues. I fall some where in between. I’m certain I could achieve faster progress with greater effort but I’m ok with it taking me several years to make my goals if I can do it by means I’m comfortable sustaining for life.

(KCKO, KCFO) #39

:heart_eyes::heart_eyes::heart_eyes:

(Teresa Coffman) #40

I’m 54 and I’m afraid I also gained on Keto but once I added intermittent fasting the weight has come off steadily. I also had to stop with the fat bombs and baking tons of keto cookies and other treats.