Wife is 39 BMI .... Help

#21

If one is like me, NOTHING keto is even remotely similar to potatoes, bread or even rice. I don’t even get the last one, rice barely has a flavor - but nope, impossible to replace. Because potatoes have a very unique, distinct potato flavor, nothing else has it, that’s simple.
I just had to give these up (or eat them very occasionally. but bread is triggering for me so if possible, not. definitely not the full carb version I make for my SO).

I have found nothing low-carb is ever like a high-carb item even if the carby ingredient isn’t even flavorful. Sometimes it’s the texture (bread has its special own texture that just can’t happen without some starch), sometimes who knows but I tend to feel very clearly if something is carby or not, sugar ius easy to replace with sweetener unless one hates them all but starch… It can be tricky without. Of course, if a baked stuff has lots of non-carbs to begin with, it’s easier to replace the little flour without big problems but a simple bread… It’s better to forget about it. If one is like me (or my SO who can’t even eat my favorite, hybrid bread that has half flour, half other things as “flour”!). But if a keto bread works for someone, good for them.

But it’s fine if we can’t make the replacement similar to the original. Sometimes it’s not what is really important. Sometimes we just want to put our spread and sausage slices on something and call it a sandwich, it doesn’t need to be similar to bread at all :smiley: I strongly prefer my carni sandwiches but I never liked bready ones. And it was so good and comforting that while I “lost” some food groups and old fav dishes, I gained even better ones. So it can be a good deal.

There are so many possibilities on low-carb, keto, even carnivore! :slight_smile: It’s fun to explore and experiment. Changing our diet shouldn’t be something unpleasant that we force on ourselves for a reason. But many people seem to think and feel that. That’s sad. I can be VERY creative if it’s about my food joy so I never accepted a disappointing woe. And I am not super choosy either, thankfully and always loved the right food too… That surely helps a lot. But we can change. A surprisingly lot sometimes.

There are ways, options. I am SO very much rooting for the OP’s wife! I can be a wonderful change on multiple levels.

(Arie1985uk ) #22

Thanks, I appreciate that, and all the other responses as well, trying to figure out what to do from here

(Arie1985uk ) #23

So if she starts with protein first (I assume salad comes first of first?) - then this could be okay?

(KM) #24

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You’re maybe confusing “full” and “satiated”. The point isn’t to stuff your stomach with low calorie foods, it’s to reach satiety before you get to the carby stuff so you don’t feel like eating it.

So I think to “trick” yourself into satiety, animal protein / fat comes first of first. Animal protein, then low carb veggies if you’re still feeling hungry, then starches and sugars. [And before people start yelling at me, please remember we’re trying to help someone who longs to eat carbs, not someone who’s actively trying to be keto or carnivore.] In other words don’t tell her she has to give up anything, just get her to a place where she doesn’t want it any more.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #25

I suspect there is some confusion, here. But I’m all in with it as you stated it. My ideal weight is 155 lbs., so 155 g of protein => 155 x 4 = 620 g of meat, and 620 / 454.54 g/lb. = 1.36 lbs. = 22 oz. of meat. That is a very filling meal.

If, on the other hand, they are recommending 155 g of meat, not protein, then no ■■■■■■■ way! That’s a totally inadequate amount of protein (155 / 4 g of meat = 38.75 g of protein).

(Edith) #26

Yeah, I meant 1g of protein per pound of body weight. So if 150 g of protein , that would be spread out over the three meals (50 g of protein per meal.). So, I worded the rest of the post incorrectly. It should have been 50 grams of protein via steak, chicken, etc. And that would be approximately 8 oz of meat per meal. Thanks for catching that.

#27

Absolutely! Many people don’t seem to get it.

After several years, I still can’t imagine how people imagine this. And I actually can eat things alone (just not the carbs, I never was good at that. except maybe fruits). Many people can’t. They eat different food groups together, they wonderfully compliment each other… If I ever eat some vegs (it happens especially when I have my own produce galore), of course I eat them along with my protein and fat… It would make no sense just alone and the juicy vegs with the rich fatty protein are a nice combo sometimes. I used vegs to help with overly salted things too…They must be eaten together.
Well if it’s just fat-loss, some low-carb vegs with my meat wouldn’t bother me. It was different when I did vegetarian keto and vegs meant a lot of extra fat on top of my already fatty protein…

It’s even more weird when people talk about eating protein or fat first and the other one later. My fat comes from my protein sources, I couldn’t just separate them in the past :smiley: Now I can but I still like them together in my ideal ratio best. And I don’t want to separate every eggs anyway. And good luck to separate cheese :smiley: But I digress here.

I get it when it’s fatty protein first, carbs later, it sounds a good idea to me, if I manage to get satiated and satisfied without much carbs, I don’t need to risk anything with carbs - but carbs last actually makes me hungry again and it makes me desire fatty protein anyway but it’s me, maybe it works better for a new low-carber… I usually put things to carbs, to make any food of mine low-carb and satiating instead of hunger-inducing… But good, very low-carb food first (and that’s it if possible), I totally agree with it for myself. Not everyone can do that right away so if it’s horrible for someone, maybe add at least some mostly innocent low-carb vegs… And maybe starches too, in smaller amounts… Again, it’s individual, we should know or figure out what we actually CAN do…

Yes. It’s about protein, I am very sure. 1g protein per ideal body weight is a very common advice for protein. I personally consider it too high for most of us, I consider 1-2g/kg for LBM better but it’s somewhat individual anyway, 1g per lbs is fine too, a bit higher but not too high, I just don’t consider it good to force it if it’s hard or too expensive as it’s not necessary for most people, far from it. People gain muscle with way less - but if someone experiences they need more, they should eat more, sure.

22oz meaty is a nice base of a meal (even a day) :slight_smile: It may work alone if the meat is the right one and there is a decent fat content too. 22oz lean pork clearly would keep me hungry (if I could eat it to begin with, I get bored of lean meat earlier) - or I would get hungry in an hour, actually I never tried that… Maybe I should when I don’t have an egg or dairy phase at the moment (I have both now).

(Jane) #28

I grew up in the 60’s and there were no sugar sodas, ice cream, fast food, sweets except on holidays when it was a treat and my brother and I looked forward to it.

Your kids will get enough sugar at parties, school, etc without having it at home. They will survive LOL.

We also never snacked - 3 meals a day and nothing after dinner.

If you can convince your wife she can have her bread, pasta, rice but no sugar and no snacking she might start losing weight w/o being strict keto.

I agree with the others to prioritize protein to fill her up. Carbs are sneaky. I can eat protein and be “full” and not want another bite… but I could reach for bread or crackers and still keep eating even though the protein filled me up.

The “off switch” for protein is much different than the “off switch for carbs”. Unfortunately.

At the end of the day it is her choice on what to eat. You can only kindly suggest.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #29

It’s a lovely amount of meat, no matter how it’s eaten. It’s about what I eat, but usually in two meals, not three.

#30

It is - but you only talk about the meat as protein source. I eat 150g protein very easily with little to no meat too. I have this on carnivore days as well sometimes, little meat but still high protein. I can NOT eat high protein, after all and there are so many nice options. If the protein comes from meat only/mostly, 150g seems a bit more impressive. I mean, it’s still a smallish piece of meat as meat is so very dense… It always surprises me. But if fatty, it can satiate me for a day! So it’s effective and satiation is only one part of the whole picture. It turns off desire to eat unnecessary. I make better decisions regarding food. I get this super good “perfect satiation” and rightness feeling… Not always but meat can bring such a great state after I eat it.
My other protein sources tend to be less effective but combined with meat in the right ratio, nice and varied. I couldn’t eat 22oz meat every day but some of this, some of that… That’s good.

(I had some low meat days and now even the lean pork is so very amazing to me… :smiley: It’s good not to eat similarly every day, the comeback of many items are unusually enjoyable… Especially for meat but I rarely drop the amount this low for this long.)