Whole fat dairy

#21

I have prostate issues too, for a very long time but I never heard a link between cow’s milk and the enlarged prostate.Do you have any links to that effect? However drs do say large intakes of meat can lead to prostate issues. I do like yogurt, goat cheese, all other cheeses, (whole fat of course), sour cream, etc. and eat them regularly.

(B Creighton) #22

Beta-casomorphin-7 has a pretty long half life compared to other casomorphins, so if you stop dairy, it may take a week or more to notice any difference. I don’t have any direct links to share regarding a connection between dairy and prostate issues. A book called the China Study brought it up, but it was really just a very broad correlation type thing, and the SAD has many other things that could contribute from a mere correlation perspective. I just have recently noticed that my prostate seemed affected because I have been eating all goat yogurt all year until the last few weeks when I mixed in some SAD yogurt because I got it on sale… Looking back I realized that is when I had to start getting up at night again, and my stream got weaker. The first day I ran out of the SAD yogurt, my stream got stronger again, and I didn’t have to get up at night.

BPH is apparently an inflammatory thing, so if you find what may be inflaming your prostate, it may help. Red meat may be inflammatory for some people because it has Neu5Gc, whereas humans have Neu5Ac - a human sialic acid sugar molecule. The difference seems to cause issues for some people. I still eat red meat, but more grass fed now, and only about twice per week. The other days, I have salmon, cod, sardines, shrimp, or chicken thighs usually.

(Megan) #23

That’s me whenever I ate ice cream.

I haven’t trialed dropping dairy and have no desire to at the moment. I drink heavy cream in my coffee and eat unsweetened greek yoghurt and colby cheese. My arthritis pain is hugely better since ditching all plant foods, but I have no idea what foods in that category, along with how they are processed, was responsible for the pain. Fibromyalgia pain is moderately better, too.

I may, at some point, trial ditching all dairy, but it’s going to have to be for a damn good reason. I could live without cheese but cream in my coffee and some greek yoghurt are dietary highlights for me.

#24

I can relate, it’s just sour cream to me (maybe because it’s a newer item for me but I too easily overeat greek yogurt while I learned to have sour cream in moderation, just a tiny bit here and there as dessert and whenever it’s needed for a dish). But now I can quit all dairy for a few days… I typically enjoy my other food but my carnivore(-ish) diet quickly becomes boring without a tiny dairy and as I seem to be okay with it, never had the motivation to stay away for longer… Dairy is very different from everything else, it’s very useful so I am glad I handle it well. I merely minimize it as its satiation effect is poor and my fridge barely can handle the one big shopping per month anyway… :wink: I often buy them locally too but still, there are space problems. And too short shelf life problems especially after opening the package. And if I open a package of cream, my coffee addiction that is strong anyway will flare up… So many practical reasons against eat much dairy.

Good thing I don’t seem to be sensitive to any edible food - until I don’t overdo carbs very much, especially simple sugars. But just because one feels healthy enough (I had that on high-carb), quitting something still may bring benefits so I experimented a lot. Still didn’t feel motivated to quit dairy for, like, a whole week but I probably will do it when I will be happy with eggs and meat only, it’s not impossible anymore. Until then, it’s just minimizing the amounts and the frequency. I enjoy my occasional cheese way more since I stopped eating it very regularly :slight_smile: That’s useful on days when I don’t want my main staples so much so I need to eat more eggs (one of my 2 main staples but it’s different with cheese! :D). My dairy consumption is still little but helps with eating my temporarily boring main staples.

So it doesn’t worth it to skip dairy for me but maybe one day I can try it for a while… Maybe it would bring some nice change. My diet could use more simplicity…

But if someone suspects dairy causes health problems, quitting for a while seems a very good idea. The body quickly shows if that was a problem I think. Very many food related health problem works like that. Some need a longer time but skipping dairy should show results soon as far as I know.

#25

I usually buy whole milk full fat yogurt but I was wondering if it’s ok to mix a little low fat vanilla yogurt with some full fat dairy such as sour cream and some walnuts on a keto friendly diet? As long as the carb content is less than 20 grams.

(Allie) #26

If it works for you then do it.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #27

The only caveat is that low-fat products are often quite high in sugar, so do your arithmetic carefully, or you might end up with more carbs than you want.

(Bob M) #28

I know people who eat zero percent yogurt, often with berries and possibly whey protein. As long as you don’t overeat, it’s not an issue.

#29

Excuse my language, but I’m an absolute whore for dairy. If I have less than 5 varieties of cheese in the fridge, I consider myself low on cheese. If I have no creme fraiche, sour cream or heavy cream, then it’s a mild panic.

It’s not just that I enjoy eating these things, but that they’re SO versatile; there are so many uses for them to boost and enhance your other foods.

I have considered elimination and reintroduction to test for any sensitivities, but it honestly spooks me to consider finding any… besides, I’m for sure not suffering in any noticeable way by eating these things all the time right now, so I’m fine? Right? Right…? ; )

(Robin) #30

Yes, in my book you are fine.
Until you’re not.

And THEN you consider reducing/eliminating.