What's the benefits of drinking ketones

#9

Have either one of you guys ever used them?

(Donna ) #10

Refer to this thread:

#11

I’ve read all those arguments, but that thread doesn’t answer my question on whether you’ve taken them or not. If not, than you shouldn’t tell people they have no benefit other than to the people that sell them as that’s factually incorrect. Many people supplement with them and have great results, I’m one of them. As far as the people who have no clue what they do, or what their purpose is OR the completely uninformed who think that you can suck down exogenous ketones and it’s some miracle liquid liposuction, or that its a pass for cheating on keto, that’s just them being misinformed and a completely difference discussion.

#12

I drank exogenous ketones every morning for 3 months. They tasted horrible and didn’t give me an energy boost. I’ve been off the stuff for a month or two now and my weight loss progress and ketone levels have been virtually the same. I do take mct oil softgels every day and mct oil supposedly promotes ketone production, so I just stick to that. It’s way cheaper too.

#13

As somebody that actually uses them, I’m a big fan for a couple reasons. They’re AWESOME for energy, great as a pre workout, I use them when I drag my face out of bed at 3AM and I’m not really feeling going to the gym. I’ll boost up the energy with x-tones and coffee of course. They give many people that enhanced “mental clarity” that many only have during fasting or when your new to keto. For me, it’s mostly used as a pre workout when I decide I need a boost, when I know I’ve got a REALLY long day ahead of me, etc. You still get that benefit being adapted as I’ve been keto for years. They’re real big with the runners as well. Mostly, athletic performance is where they shine.

What they do NOT do, is what uninformed people claim like “putting you into ketosis” after you eat a loaf of bread, or allowing you to bounce back and forth when doing CKD, or the myth that forcing your ketone levels high make you loose weight faster as all of that is nonsense. Most of the opinions floating around on exogenous ketones (sadly) is people bashing them that have no real life experience with them which is just irresponsible AFAIK.

(Donna ) #14

Please DO read Richard’s post #19 in this thread:

#15

I’ve read it before, but I’ll take a second look at it, I also remember that podcast when Richard went into it, and I’m also a big fan of Ben Bikman and have heard his theory on it but in the end you can successfully argue for or against ANY supplement if that’s what your going for! So far we’re running on opinion and simply stating there is no benefit is an assumption. The Thalidomide comparison is going a little overboard. There’s also plenty of very well respected people in our circles like Dom D’Agostino who are all about them. Being against them when so far they have shown many benefits and as far as I know haven’t hurt anybody is premature. Especially for a group of people that routinely ignore mainstream health advise based on us seeing proof that their advise is BS.

(Donna ) #16

I hope you do re-read Richard’s thoughts on the matter.

Wishing you abundant health.

(Ken) #17

There’s a little confusion here. The body produces ketones as an aspect of being in lipolysis. Eating ketones will not put you into lipolysis.

Eating ketones would provide you with an energy source. If you want to consume them for that aspect, go for it. In terms of training, I highly doubt they’re any better than Dextrose, which is also often eaten for a pre training boost.

#18

Everybodys different, but having experimented for doing TKD and doing the ol’ Dextrose spike I can say the as far as energy bursts in the gym I’m more wired on ketones than I am Dextrose, what I will give Dextrose is that it gives you the post workout pump better.

(Jean Taylor) #19

My husband got some after reading they would help with keto flu. I don’t know if they work for that or not really because I never had it, but since then he’ll take them some on days he needs extra energy.

I took a 1/2 a serving once in the morning and then couldn’t sleep that night. My mind just wouldnt shut off. No idea why since i think they should have wore off by then, but I didn’t want to try them again I have enough trouble sleeping with out that crap lol

(Hoteski) #20

That’s helpful to know so if I do decide to give it a try I will know to have it in the morning not evening

(Consensus is Politics) #21

I hav no real life experience with exogenous ketones. I have no real life experience with arsenic. Poor comparison? I think not. Arsenic is in our diet, albeit extremely low amounts. But that doesn’t mean adding more to my diet would be beneficial.

Arsenic is proven to be poisonous. It’s a fact. I don’t need to test it on myself to know this. Benefits of exogenous ketones are none existent. If it’s being sold by MLM businesses then that puts up a red flag for me. MLM is a marketing ploy to make money for the guy at the top, ipso facto. A.L. Williams, Amway, there was a diet one as well, Herbalife (?). If it sells, if people can be convinced it’s good, if it can be even weakly linked to some big trend of the moment, MLM will pick it up and run with it. They even have “doctors” to rave about the products (well, guys in white lab coats and glasses).

Here’s the problem with the idea of exogenous ketones. We don’t know what they are doing. You can’t say for a fact that it’s the ketones you are ingesting are what’s giving you that energy boost. It could very well be that it has added caffeine or some other chemical to give that effect. I used to use a fiber supplement. It’s label said “sugar free” and “ safe for diabetics”. Turns out it has maltodextrin in it which has a higher glycemic index than just plain sugar. It was holding up my blood glucose progression. I stopped taking it and had immediate results.

Now to be fair, I’m not saying there are no benefits. I’m saying there is no evidence.

First rule of life, question everything. Especially those in authority, or those that make claims like, carbohydrates are an essential nutrient. Put their feet to the fire. Ask why. What makes this a good product? How does it work? Where are the studies to show? I’m talking scientific method, not a pie chart. [by the way, a moment after I began this reply, I went looking for recent info on exogenous ketones (EK). The only studies I could find were nothing but pie charts, or graphs. Nothing useful. I want to see a study where a few thousand people (not mice, rats, dogs, or pigs) are given EK in a double blind w/ control group study. Science doesn’t work by consensus. Even if all our politicians, or 97% of them anyway, will tell you otherwise.

Sorry, getting verbose. Forcing myself to stop rambling now.

Keto Vitae!

(Hoteski) #22

From what I gather this is to assist with giving me more energy … If that being the case im about as likely to have it as a can of red bull … Due to mental health being stable is important to me. So whilst the question was what are the benefits perhaps I should have asked what does it do for those that have taken it. How does it make them feel and is weight loss affected in good order bad way due to only addidnt this to the diet and changing nothing else once you have been on a stable keto lifestyle for several months to years.

(Consensus is Politics) #23

My apologies. I need to chain that damn soapbox of mine in the attic or garage, I keep jumping up on it.

Those are the right questions to ask. See how people that use it feel. What results are they getting. Did it make any difference. Were those results from the EK? Or would those results happened on their own?

In my opinion, if a person is trying to attain Ketosis, or stay in Ketosis, then EK would be working against them. The whole “if your body doesn’t work at making them it just stops doing it” because thing.

But as a supplement for something else? :thinking:I think a person would be better off just eating a Keto diet, and reap all the benefits that that offers.

(Hoteski) #24

Which is what I have done so far … But as this was given to me I thought I’d ask the question before it ends up in the draw where nothing ever leaves once put in

(Jean Taylor) #25

I couldn’t sleep when I tried EF either. I don’t know that it would be an issue for most people.

#26

For weight loss, I don’t think there’s much benefit to consuming exogenous ketones. In fact, it may be counterproductive.

Last year, I purchased a small (and expensive!) tub of Keto Drive BHB salts. My thought was that I might take some either pre- or post-workout, but I’ve found that I haven’t really needed it. I’ve only used a few doses from the tub so far.

It’s my understanding that there are benefits for people not on a ketogenic diet. There’s quite a lot of discussion about this in “The Ketogenic Bible” by Jacob Wilson and Ryan Lowery. Dom D’Agostino also talks about this quite a lot too in the interviews that I’ve listened to.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #27

If you run or do other distance exercise, they could take the place of gels that other distance runners use. Not necessary, but helpful.

Alternatively, folks take them as a brain focus supplement.

I’d be curious, and probably set up a test with some game I play, like solitaire, or mah jong on the phone, and see how my average time was on them or not.

I don’t think there’s any dietary benefit for people already in ketosis or fat adapted.

(Bonnie Low) #28

This is an interesting discussion. Just curious, why do you use them? What benefit do you see?