What studies have shown evidence in sup[port of a ketogenic diet


(Chris) #1

Which studies back it up? The same type of food survey studies that we debunk here all the time. Hopefully a good one with RCT will come out soon but in the meantime, this statement is false. Unless you can post one.

This was clipped from another thread, I’m not deleting it, but I want to warn the reader it’s now fully out of context.

The original argument was that there are “plenty of studies” showing ketogenic diets are effective for a plethora of ailments (obesity, T2D, etc). My question was to show some that are: RCT, not biased, not based on annual food surveys, not full of confounders. A lovely poster below has linked to Virta, which contains of list of studies I hadn’t yet seen. I am admitting I’m wrong until I (we) have a chance to read and pick apart all of them. Please use this thread to discuss.


I think I’m out, y’all
(Stan Brooks) #2

Tell me what you think is false and I will be happy to provide science base evidence.


(Chris) #3

I don’t think anything is false. What I’m saying is there aren’t any good studies out yet. No one is funding them. All of our ‘good science’ is just anectdotes from good folks like you and I.


(Stan Brooks) #4

Okay now I am more confused? You said my statement was false. I want to show you it isn’t. Which statement did I make do you think is false?

What are you saying have not been studied?


(Chris) #5

The statement you made that there are good studies out there showing the diet is beneficial. There aren’t any yet. That statement is false.

I do not believe the diet does not work, as I’m living proof that it does. I simply asked you to show me one good study, of which so far there aren’t any.


(Jennifer Kleiman) #6

Have a look
https://blog.virtahealth.com/low-carb-research-comprehensive-list/

Twelve-month outcomes of a randomized trial of a moderate-carbohydrate versus very low-carbohydrate diet in overweight adults with type 2 diabetes mellitus or prediabetes

among others

This just came out yesterday, too, “Effectiveness and Safety of a Novel Care Model for the Management of Type 2 Diabetes at 1 Year: An Open-Label, Non-Randomized, Controlled Study” https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13300-018-0373-9


(Chris) #7

Well that’s great news then. I have no problem admitting that I’m wrong (and I really hope I am, but I haven’t read any of those trials yet so I’m still skeptical). Let’s stop derailing Jill’s thread now, because this argument should never have happened in it. Take it to PM with me or start a new thread, please.


(Richard Morris) #8

I spawned this off into a new thread cos it’s definitely an interesting side topic


(Chris) #9

Sweet, thanks Richard. I’m editing the OP now because I’m fully out of context :confused:!.


(Ethan) #10

Yes thanks!. Actually, I am very interested in RANDOMIZED control trials. I have some “health professional” friends who refuse to look at anything that isn’t an RCT.


(Jennifer Kleiman) #11

There are many RCTs on keto in mice, rats & dogs, interested? Personally I am not because rodent metabolism is pretty different than humans when it comes to keto, but there are lots of studies… RCTs in humans are much more expensive of course but there’s some in the link from Sarah Hallberg I posted above, and I think she missed a few too.


(Ethan) #12

Unfortunately, I am also not interested much in animal RCTs. The link seemed nonrandomized only.


(Janet) #13

I recently posted 75 clinical trials here https://www.ketogenicforums.com/c/science/resources

And all on the PHC.org website are RCTs https://phcuk.org/rcts/


(Richard Morris) #14

Testing very low carb ketogenic diet with isocaloric fat restriction as control, in 40 overweight men and women with the atherogenic dyslipidemia of MetS

There was a chart of the results of THAT study in this paper


(Randy) #15

https://blog.virtahealth.com/low-carb-research-comprehensive-list/


(Richard Morris) #16

This study tested a low carb diet that is high in unsaturated fats and low in saturated fats, so not really in the same ballpark as most of us … but about as fat as the diet orthodoxy are willing to bend.

This one was however done by the who’s who of Australian diet researchers and the results shocked them, and ended up being the basis for a best selling book. BTW CSIRO is the Australian peak science body, similar to the NIH.

https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/Health/CSIRO-diets/CSIRO-Low-Carb-Diet-Book


(Doug) #17

A large mix, here: 200+ studies all in one place