Moo-tarian, I like that. Me too. As to berries, I find blueberries too sweet, but raspberries are lovely. And cream is so incredibly sweet it tastes almost like ice cream or custard, only so much better without the overpowering sweetness. But I do find lots of things sweet these days, like water. My coffee with cream tastes just like dessert. So in contrast to these sweet treats, I love to salt my savoury meals to taste unless I have bacon, I don’t find it necessary to salt that. But whenever I enjoy avocado say, with my meats, I find the avocado tastes better salted. Perhaps it’s because I’m eating so much salted food I find everything else very sweet? Or perhaps it is because I don’t eat anything with added sugar. But your body certainly changes on a WOE, and ends up with new likes and dislikes.
What do you indulge in?
I’ve never tried adding vanilla. I’m sure that would be lovely. I just find the cream sweet enough to sweeten everything else, and so versatile in that it can be used for savoury dishes and desserts alike.
On strict keto I craved a lot more salt. Probably a biochemical explanation for that. These days the flavors of natural naked foods seem so bright I enjoy them just as they are - or at least without extra salting at the table.
Vanilla, clove and if it suits the dessert, a few drops of lemon for me! 
Sometimes a few drops of rum (Stroh80, even I can’t drink such a thing, 80% alcohol it’s for desserts and sometimes for coffee, a 0.5 liter bottle lasts for years. I have a dessert that requires it, I really use it otherwise BUT there is it as an option).
It’s amazing how big a difference these things make. They kind of trick my tastebuds…? When it’s not a dessert that I really want truly sweet. It’s just a tiny but important help.
In my family everyone ended up a seriously changed sweet perception (about the same extent until my carnivore trials :D) and the only common thing was not using added sugar. It doesn’t matter if there were carbs and even natural sugars galore or one did keto, the changes were about the same.
But it wasn’t as serious as in your case. And even I, the one eating very little carbs didn’t feel raspberries really sweet. The most sugary fruits, yes, they became borderline inedible. Banana was still nice, only too sweet when frozen but that’s what my chocolate is for. But my level was the same as the other family members not eating added sugar (just very occasionally).
And then my carnivore trials came and I eat way less sweetener since… Still no way I give up my Williams pear (my fav and insanely sweet but the unripe ones aren’t juicy enough and the flavors are different too) and grapes but almost everything is sweetish now. Quince is so-so, maybe sweeter than ideal sometimes but okay. Lemon is perfect but I don’t expect much sweetness from it anyway (of course it has sweetness 
just way more sourness).
Even with this push, I am not at your level… Maybe if I cut out sweeteners for months…? If that time will ever come.
I am definitely still changing. My family members probably won’t, we all reached our level in months and didn’t change for several years. And then I tried out carnivore and no idea where it will lead me. I am losing the NEED for sweetness, my sweet perception changes slower - but that does it too.
I wouldn’t think salt has an effect but I don’t know. My salt intake is always at its ideal, automatically taken spot at about 5g a day (salt, not sodium). When it was somewhat higher and I suffered from it, I didn’t notice changes regarding sweetness BUT I actually did carnivore there so I just didn’t eat sweet things.
So, do y’all feel turned off by sweetness? If I eat, say, a processed sausage or commercial tomato sauce and taste the added sugar, I find it unpleasant. Not sure if it’s changed taste of more of a psychosomatic thing (that is, sugar=bad, therefore sweet=unenjoyable.)
I don’t eat anything processed so I really can’t say with regards to that. But I recently found cherry tomatoes too sweet. The only fruits I eat mostly is avocado, which is sweet but not too much with a nice nutty flavour and more occasionally fresh cucumber and bell peppers. As to vegetables I favour broccoli and cauliflower, a few florets goes a long way. But I do find them all sweet though their sweetness is mild and can still complement the meal, only a little is needed.
Turned off by sweetness? Not necessarily.
I haven’t put sugar in my coffee since I was a teenager, so I’d be turned off by sugar in coffee. At the other extreme, I can still crave and enjoy a caramel chocolate (or a whole box of them).
A sausage containing some sugar – maybe it would taste good, maybe not. I put lots of stevia in my pork marinade.
Well I find cream very sweet and that may be due to its natural amount of sugar, it tastes like rich creamy heaviness to me, and even better with coffee. Something actually very sugary would probably knock my body off-kilter, and my taste buds would probably find it way too overpowering, but who can say, as I simply don’t crave those foods anymore.
It depends. I dislike added sugar since ages though some items can get away with it.
I HATE sweet things with my meat (exception is a little onion with some bitter liver like chicken. beef liver is almost too sweet all alone, I couldn’t eat it with onion. I eat liver without it anyway most of the time BUT sometimes it’s nice with it).
If I notice the sugar in my sausage, that’s bad. I hate when I notice it in the ingredients list but I learned to read it carefully. Sometimes I forget though. It’s easy to buy sausage without bad ingredients here, fortunately.
I don’t like sweetened drinks anymore, maybe there are some exceptions I could drink but no need. I drink my lemonade unsweetened since ages, coffee too, even cocoa… I drink unsweetened tea since decades as that’s how one nomally drinks a noble tea except Assam and the like where a tiny milk is nice but I don’t drink that.
I still like both sugars and sweeteners, not the added white sugar, I dislike it but honey is awesome, coconut sugar, very nearly almost all fruits… (Interesting, carnivore turned me off from almost all vegs but I still love almost all fruits. I doubt it will ever change.)
My body dislike sugars so I try to keep these to the minimum… I don’t miss sweetness on carnivore so when I have carnivore times, that’s the best.
I hate almost all sweeteners and I like the rest (erythritol and xylitol) way less than before.
Some items are better without, some dishes still need it. I just try to avoid the latter.
OMG many tomatoes are already way too sweet alone, why to add sugar? Okay, I know, they do it but we don’t buy it then, right? (I say this as if I don’t have a tasty condiment with sugar. It’s about the only sugary thing I still have and only eat a few drops here and there.)
I have plain tomato puree, sweet as it’s tomato but it eventually will be too sweet for me I guess? Or maybe I can keep it in tiny amounts.
Sadly I don’t have this. Or not sadly. I am torn here.
I immensely enjoy certain sweet things. But the reason is less and less the sweetness, it’s more like the other flavors. But I can’t separate them and sometimes sweetness does needed for something. But I can just eat something that works unsweetened, I don’t crave the sweet thing, I just like the taste when I still eat it.
And yes. My beloved fruits. One part of me says and feels their immense unhealthiness (my body hates simple sugars the most especially all alone. among the items I actually eat, I mean, there are worse things out there) - the other part LOVES them.
Right now I do this “sometimes a tiny bit. very rarely more” thing with them. No idea what future will bring. But as I plan to have some as much as possible carnivore months, I may change a lot. My end goal is very very little fruit here and there - and normally I will merely enjoy them without eating. My fruits are my pride and joy and I handle them a lot, my fruit season is a bit more than 6 months long and that’s just the fruit season, I enjoy them when there are only flowers I have zillion jars of fruit near me all the time as well… Fruits are a very big part of my life and much of my joy comes from them. That won’t change. But if I don’t want to eat them, it’s fine not to. Maybe a little taste, I can handle that.
My most important fruit is lemon now. Too bad it’s not my own, the climate isn’t good for it and I don’t have place for a lemon tree in the house in winter. It wouldn’t be enough anyway.
It seems to be physiological, as much as psychological. I find that I much prefer the taste of unsweetened chocolate these days, whereas pre-keto it tasted so bitter as to be inedible. I may be wrong, here, but if it were solely a psychosomatic change, I’d have expected the taste to have remained unpleasant, regardless of any changing attitude towards sweetness.
But as with any addictive substance, it is possible to build up a tolerance to sweetness, thus requiring more to have an effect. Cutting out the substance typically makes us more sensitive to it again. For example, sober alcoholics often find the taste of alcohol in food to be more noticeable, after some time in sobriety. (The alcohol itself usually cooks off, but it leaves a flavour behind that can trigger cravings in some alcoholics.)
I love sweeteners and feel they are key to my success. I haven’t had any problems using them, and I use them even when I do IF and they don’t trigger my appetite.
Fat is another thing. I’ve had to swear off having cream, sour cream, or cream cheese in the house. Especially pork rinds and sour cream-oh my gosh, I will eat the entire bag and all the sour cream, just like it was carbage, seriously. I have some kind of fat trigger I can’t cope with.
However, I can do full fat cheese as a treat. Fortunately, that can be in the house and I don’t eat the whole thing. I bought a spread for Christmas! That was so nice.
I like the Beecher’s cheese. Or a nice, salty cheddar.
Usually, I keep higher protein cheeses in the house/reduced fat. Those definitely are not as good and I sometimes don’t bother eating them, LOL-
I agree about building a tolerance. It is easy to do on a diet that contains a lot of processed foods as they typically contain a lot of added sugars, indulging in sugary desserts, etc. I believe once you quit everything processed or with added sugar, then the body regains that sensitivity you mentioned, to sweetness, and the same principle I am sure applies to alcohol. It is frightening how used to sugar the body can become, so that anything naturally sweet could still taste bitter in comparison. There was a time I probably could never have looked at cream as a dessert.
@Paul-I have noticed that if I get into too much Splenda, I need more and more of it for my coffee to taste sweet. I can back off of it and then notice I need less for the same sweet taste. It is interesting-
Hi Greta. There are a great deal of foods that are addictive, quite possibly our bodies are prone to addictions, but it might be how those foods are made/processed. There was a time I dropped sugar cubes into my coffee when I was very young, I shudder to think about that now. But we change as our knowledge grows and also give our bodies new and better fuel. I don’t use sweeteners myself as I don’t see the need to sweeten anything. But I realise we’re all different, probably also in how we perceive certain flavours, and sweetness.
No I enjoy something sweet from time to time, but definitely not regularly and I don’t crave it at all.
I definitely needed them on my original keto… And occasionally they are very useful nowadays as well. But usually unneeded now. Things change. As long as I love my normal, not sweet food, I am fine. But sometimes it’s sweetener or carbs…
Never experienced any problem, I merely always found it best for me not to overdo sweeteners. Using as little as possible and not all the time, it sounded the mentally healthy thing for me (just for me, I don’t have this opinion/attitude towards anyone else).
Maybe because even as a kid, I was very used to eating sweets in the end of nearly every meal. It was a trigger. End of meal, where are my sweets? Not good. It was very, very stubborn. Until I tried carnivore and then it just suddenly disappeared. But my not carnivore days aren’t always as good despite I don’t desire sweets for my meals anymore. Maybe if I lived alone and wouldn’t see sweet stuff all the time (often I make them)… But it’s WAY better now. Good, I don’t like to feel a slave of a stupid habit I really don’t need.
I always loved fat, probably more than carbs IDK, I ate a ton from each… And protein too.
Fat is just that awesome and its satiation effect is almost as bad as the one of the carbs… Carbs with fat was the worst, I could eat almost any amount of that…
Sour cream is great and a few years ago I was sure I could eat a bucket full of it and I did eat a lot but I managed to train myself out of that. I love it, I always have it, I eat it regularly - but I eat it in moderation. It took some time but it was doable for me.
Lower-fat dairy. I don’t make the sign of the cross only because that’s not my religion! I usually forget and even deny the existence of that abomination!
All dairy must be the fattiest possible 
if you ask me. (Well, just not significantly lower-fat than normal, at least.)
But it’s just my taste And many others I suppose. Fat is typically quite tasty.
Fortunately I never had that. Clearly I felt the natural sweetness less sweet before but it never was bitter. And I felt most subtle flavors and sweetness in vegs and fruits just the same while eating sugary sweets every day. My taste is about the same as always minus a few little changes - and of course, the drastic change in my sweetness perception. But when people talk about “tasting cardboard” or “now I feel the flavors in cucchini”, I don’t understand it. I always felt and loved the flavor of cucchini and if something tasted good before, it usually still does.
Enjoyment changed too though. I have this weird thing that I taste something I don’t eat anymore just very occasionally… It tastes like ever and it’s a very, very nice taste - but I don’t want, don’t need and don’t enjoy it. I just experience the good taste in some clinical disconnected way. Weird. I only had this with very nice chestnuts desserts on high-carb. I very much dislike chestnut (except roasted. still not a big deal but edible) so I definitely never enjoy a chestnut dessert but if it’s well-done, I still feel how tasty it is in some weird, not for me way. And I prefer a bunch of things unsweetened now. But I feel the taste similar beyond the sweetness is sweeter now.
Sure. I can’t even imagine unsweetened whipped cream in my past, I never tried it and now I have no idea. I probably would have missed the sweetness like crazy…?
Adorable. I didn’t drop, I soaked up the weak coffee and ate only the sugar cube. It was a thing for kids.
I ate pure white sugar with a big spoon (not many times! but happened).
Cringeful.
Okay I still eat sweetener alone sometimes… But just a bit…
(I am horrible. And my chosen default woe is carnivore…ish, at least. Sometimes I wonder about the contrast.)
Do you gain weight from eating these things? And is it fat or muscle? I’m curious, because when I eat past satiety with such foods, all that happens is that I soak my bedclothes at night with sweat; I don’t gain from them.
Obviously, when I eat past satiety, I didn’t need the calories, as shown by the fact that my body feels comfortable wasting all that heat. On the other hand, there are days when I am hungrier than usual, and if I didn’t eat pork rinds or other fats, I’d probably turn to the bread and sweet stuff that people leave lying around the house. As long as what I’m eating is fat, my trousers stay loose; whereas if I yield to a carb craving, the results are not good.
I also figure that, even when I eat past satiety, it’s all good, since I’m still not eating the huge quantities of food I used to eat before keto and during the first several weeks on keto. Obviously, if I could avoid eating for emotional reasons and stop eating when I’m satisfied, that would be better, but eating keto snacks is still loads better than rummaging through the carbage. 
Lucky to have this connection between satiety and energy need! My satiety has too little correlation with it. I can get satiated by too little (quite rare) or may stay hungry while eating too much. Well it’s significantly better if I choose the right food items 
Fattiness is very important. I typically overeat very fatty food as I don’t get satiated until I get my high protein (it means the grams). I may get satiated with a meal anyway but I get hungry again and again. I can add a bunch of fat extra, my satiation stays about the same, controlled by protein (except if my calories are too low, that doesn’t work either but my actual needs matter there. but I always need my high protein, I can’t avoid that, apparently).
@Paul - I definitely gain fat. I know how hard it is to put on muscle, it def was not muscle or water. It happened to me after I had already gone low carb. I can easily gain 10 pounds messing around with fat, and it takes effort to get back off.
I haven’t experienced the feeling hot after eating except for unusual occasions like a Christmas party where I’ve eaten a lot of mixed foods, and only since I’ve gotten most of the weight off. I did not sweat at all. Just noticed the blanketing seemed warmer than usual. I guess I have a ways to go in that department-if I can ever get there.
I used to say that food never gave me energy-it only made me tired. I am better off than I used to be when I was really heavy anyway.
I guess I need to do more exercise to try to improve in this area (mitochondria I guess).