Protein?

#22

Yes it has that option. But in all practicalities it doesn’t happen, Ted showed study after study, excess protein resulted in flat insulin. Yes it can happen but you’d have to eat an elephant or something …

It’s like excess water, yes you can have too much but it’s buckets worth.

Also like water, too little protein is a very real problem. So better to go a shade over than under.

Button line - Ted has equal grams of protein and fat, mine are both around 120g a day. (That is protein content as seen in Cronmeter or whatever and not the raw steak the protein came it)

That is not an insane amount, it fits within the higher end of what Drs Phinney, Volek and Westman talk about, it’s not off their charts.

Actually here is the Dr Ted Naiman link I couldn’t find before: https://player.vimeo.com/video/273508045

(Jeanine) #23

:raised_hands: yassss

(Jeanine) #24

Thank you for the link. Very interesting

(Janelle) #25

By the way, 30lbs since November is awesome. Whatever you’re doing, don’t change it.

(Jeanine) #26

Thanks!!! That’s my plan

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #27

From what I can tell, the recommendation to keep protein low comes from two sources: first is the belief, now shown to be erroneous, that any extra protein would be turned into glucose. Now we know that the process of gluconeogenesis is driven by demand, not by the supply of protein. (Assuming a low-carb diet, of course.)

Second, Dr. Ron Rosedale has been recommending low protein for the sake of longevity, since protein stimulates the mTOR pathway. But again, it has now been shown that on a low-carb diet, the insulin/glucagon ratio stays low, regardless of their absolute levels, even when protein intake increases, so mTOR isn’t so much of a concern. As we age, protein becomes harder and harder to use for muscle-building, so some researchers believe that it’s best to keep protein intake up even when we’re young, so we don’t lose muscle mass as we age.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #28

It’s here where I note that low carb stimulates AMPK phosphoration which suppresses the mTOR pathway, so Rosedale is kind of off base, entirely. What works for flatworms may not work so well for more complicated organisms… I mean, we’ve seen enough rat studies showing nonsense that Rosedale went to nematode worms? Really?

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #29

If anyone is interested in the metabolic context specificity of protein that Paul touches on, Bikman is the man here:

I haven’t watched the Q&A, at least that I recall, but I’m sure Ben got a lot of questions on this panel, and he’s usually a lot of fun with his peers.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #30

Yeah, what he said! Thanks, @LeCheffre

P.S.—I love Prof. Bikman