Prof Noakes appears to be going down the Fat Emperor black hole of misinformation

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #41

We aren’t discovering that at all. Most Australians lived quite well between June 2020 and June 2021 because of our elimination strategy. Superb health and economic outcomes in that period. We managed to protect our population until a vaccine was widely available. We can talk about the current outbreak, how preventable it was, and what the current policy options are…

But that’s not what this thread is about. The point of the thread is to hew to the science rather than to indulge base instincts and political biases using very dubious tweets on social media.

And ultimately it’s about questioning the judgment of people you used to respect and feeling really, really disappointed about that.

(bulkbiker) #42

I bet Tim is crying onto his steak.

It’s your choice to be disappointed Gabe completely of your own making.

You have chosen to believe in the story you have been told. The Prof seems keener to question it. I for one support him in doing so.

There is a huge amount we don’t yet know about why we have been imprisoned in our homes needlessly, jabbed with experimental treatments (well … some of us) and now threatened with a two tier society based on little to no evidence. The more people who start to demand answers to the questions many are starting to ask the better in my view.

(Mark Rhodes) #43

1829: Richard Young?

(Mark Rhodes) #44

Unskilled and unaware of it: how difficulties in recognizing one’s own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments

[J Kruger 1, D Dunning](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10626367/)

Showing you the “science” :innocent:

(Richard Morris) #45

Science is not a cheer-ocracy.

That’s not how science works. Prof asked, quite rightly, what is the evidence supporting giving vaccines to people who have adaptive immunity to infection. An excellent question. One which I myself asked a professor of Immunology just 2 weeks ago.

I just showed you 2 peer reviewed studies (and an article in Science on the topic) that asked the same question, experimentally and they have data, and an interpretation that appears to provide an answer.

At this point as a scientist you can say, “right then that seems settled - it’s evidently appropriate to vaccinate people who have post-infection adaptive immunity” or you could try to replicate the experiment and see if the results are repeatable, or you could suggest to the authors problems in their methods or interpretation and see what they have to say about that, or you could find studies that falsified the hypothesis, and if none exist you could propose and run an alternate experiment that might falsify the hypothesis.

#46

Isn’t that a Creedance Clearwater Revival song?

#47

Hewing to the science or drifting into the Humanities? This is great stuff Gabe. You’re on my bridge. I’m science trained including in clinical vaccinology but I work and teach in the Humanities and Arts where story has the power over curious observations. I think you are getting at something important here.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #49

Okay, now we’re getting into politics. This thread is done.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) closed #50