Pemmican - Does meat, fat and berries vindicate the WoE changes of Paul Saladino MD?

[PaulL]

And, for the carnivores, does pemmican need the berries for preservation?

No. The original recipe was meat and fat only. The berries were added to make the pemmican more palatable to the European colonists.

[PaulL]

All in one, rather than trying to procure and carry citrus fruit to prevent scurvy.

No one with access to fresh meat ever develops scurvy. We actually know why the tribes started adding berries to their pemmican, and it was a marketing decision (to cater for the white colonists’ taste preferences), not a health-driven one.

The problem the British Navy faced with scurvy was the lack of fresh meat on long deployments. They knew fresh meat prevented scurvy centuries before they knew about citrus and vitamin C.

As you can imagine, only a limited number of ruminant animals could be loaded on those cramped sailing ships when they set sail, and the supply of fresh meat eventually ran out. After that, the sailors’ diet consisted entirely of salt beef and hard-tack biscuit. Once the anti-scorbutic effect of citrus fruits was discovered in the early nineteenth century, the British Navy eagerly adopted citrus fruits as a convenient, more easily-stored substitute for fresh meat.

Of course, the advent of modern refrigeration rendered all this moot.

[PaulL]

It appeared to me that he is of the opinion that if something works for him, it must work for everybody, and if it doesn’t work for him, it must be wrong for everybody.

Sally K. Norton said in an interview that Saladino had been a long-term vegan before coming to carnivore, and at first he felt great, as would be expected, but then his body started dumping its oxlate stores. That’s a painful process. Oxalate dumping can be controled by eating foods containing oxalates, so no wonder he felt better from adding carbs to his diet.

So the lesson we should take from this is not that carnivore is bad for people, it’s that oxalate dumping needs to be kept to a controlled rate. Sally Norton has some good suggestions for how to do this on her Web site.

[ctviggen]

That’s why I posted the Ultimate Health podcast January interview at the top. I find him quite knowledgeable, and his interpretation of available information is quite logical. He’s just so intense it can be exhausting.

I listened to many podcasts with him. On multiple ones of them (one involving covid), he was completely wrong. Anyone remember when he said that you had to eat raw liver and raw yolks but not the whites of eggs? Or when he said that covid would cover and go through every part of a ship, apparently not realizing that there are different compartments on ships to prevent this from specifically happening (if fire starts in one location, you don’t want it to go through an entire ship, so you work to try to prevent that).

I stopped listening to him after that, and that was when he was still carnivore.