Magic Pill movie

(Kara) #1

This brilliant documentary about the Ketogenic diet just made me cry and rage. Wehave all been so duped by the so wrong dietary guidelines (backed by who knows what financial interests). So now billions of people really sick and looking forward to more and more medication and disease. The kick back starts with each of us taking charge of our health and saying enough is enough we are going to check the science for ourselves and oh by the way eat the most delicious food! I will never be able to thank the 2 Keto Dudes enough for sharing their stories they inspired me. Xxx

(Scott) #2

That is the documentary I found channel surfing 19 months ago, and of course I ended up here.

(Rebecca ) #3

I began to watch that when it first came out…I don’t remember when that was exactly…I do remember thinking “Nah, that can’t be healthy to eat that way!!!” And I stopped…30 lbs ago! I just wasn’t ready to hear it. The second time around, after reading and researching the Ketogenic Diet, it clicked…that time I was ready!!!

(Marianne) #4

I would like to watch this today with my husband. We are both on keto. Just watched the trailer and it looks very good. We did see Forks Over Knives shortly after we started keto. It was very inspirational.

(Joey) #5

I’ve stumbled across Forks Over Knives here and there, but never watched it myself … Am curious: as a plant-based food regime, doesn’t it make getting sufficient protein a bit of a challenge?

(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #6

Years ago my parents sent us the movie Super Size Me because they were concerned about my husband’s weight. We never did watch it until recently (on Netflix), but then watched it maybe 2 yesterday ago. Of course, then we watched Fathead, a great rebuttal! It’s worth it to watch both.

(Kara) #7

You just have to be at that right time don’t you XX

(Kara) #8

My husband was completely convinced after the movie as was my friend who is type 2 diabetic. Need to get it trending on Netflix!

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #9

Suficcient ’ complete ’ protein. As well a necessary, bio available vitamins and minerals…

Tofu
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Here are the nutrient profiles of 1 oz Tofu vs 1 oz chuck roast. Chuck onthe right.
You will never get any B12 from plants.

(Joey) #10

Interesting info. Thanx for sharing.

So, my takeaway is that, while tofu is certainly a healthy menu item, it’s not sufficient? Then again, that’s the case with any single food item we might single out -e.g., chuck roast is awesome for many reasons, but it lacks certain key nutritional components, too, right?

So in the end, perhaps it all comes down to this:
“All things in moderation … except carbs!” :wink:

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #11

It would be a lot easier to fill out the nutrient profile of chuck with other animal products than it would with tofu and other plant products, and with a lot less volume.

The other takeaway, is that with plant products you have to deal with a lot more possible toxins than with animal products.

I like to use CronoMeter for my nutrient data base.

I use to mix up these huge vegetable/green salads, weighing over a pound. I was always dismayed at how weak the nutrient composition was.
Now, when I have a meal of meats, dairy and eggs, I’m amazed at how robust the nutrient profile is with relatively very little volume by weight.

(Marianne) #12

Actually, I remembered it being more of a keto movie. I did wonder about the title, though.

(Marianne) #13

Now I’m even more interested to see it.

(GINA ) #14

One thing I didn’t care for in The Magic Pill movie was the emphasis on grass-fed-organic-grown-with-mermaid-tears food. The family with the daughter with autism talked about how expensive it was and how they had to buy a partial steer to make it work. That will turn a lot of people right off… people that could see tremendous improvements with regular ol’ conventional vegetables and meat.

(Joey) #15

Fair enough. Just cutting out the Western industrial manufactured food gets one a long way toward better health.

Then again, think how much that family could’ve saved if they bought the whole steer. :ox:

(Rebecca ) #16

I completely understand the strain on people’s budgets…however the health and wellbeing of the animal being consumed transfers to the humans who consume it.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #17

The Noakes Foundation works with the poorest of the poor in South Africa, and their experience is that, once they get people over the initial hump, a whole foods ketogenic diet works out cheaper in the long run, despite the higher food costs. A lot of poor South Africans have to find treatment at a clinic that might be as far as an hour’s travel from where they live, so going to the doctor for exams and prescriptions means losing a day’s wages in addition to the cost of the medication and the expense of travel. Once they are healthier, their medical expenses drop to near nothing.

(GINA ) #18

I know all that, but I am talking about people on SAD that need help and don’t know what we know. It would be too much all at once for many.

#19

Yep, true that. B12 comes from bacteria and bioaccumulates up trophic levels.

But vegetarians and vegans can get it from algae and vegetarian fermented foods that have been contaminated with B12 producing bacteria in the processing e.g. tempeh.

Another Vegan Thread
(Bunny) #20

”…It’s important to consider that folate—typically high in vegetarian and vegan diets—can mask the presence of vitamin B12 deficiency. The preferred form of B12 supplements is cyanocobalamin. …” …More

”…Large amounts of folic acid can mask the damaging effects of vitamin B12 deficiency by correcting the megaloblastic anemia caused by vitamin B12 deficiency [3,5] without correcting the neurological damage that also occurs [1,34]. …More

How scary?

see also (folate & folic acid):

[1] “…The majority of the pre-packaged. foods found in the grocery store have been through this process and fortified with folic acid. This is bad news for people with the MTHFR mutation. People with this mutation are unable to rid their bodies of folic acid. It builds up, blocking folate receptors and wrecking havoc. This build up is known as folic acid toxicity. Most lab tests do not distinguish between folic acid and folate when measuring blood levels. If folic acid intake is high, the results may show an individual has adequate amounts of folate. This is misleading as the individual actually has high levels of unusable folic acid, with little to no folate. This situation can cause the body to believe it is malnourished and result in unnecessary storing of energy (weight gain). …More

[2] Folic Acid vs Folate — What’s the Difference?

[3] 15 Healthy Foods That Are High in Folate (Folic Acid)

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