Some carbs can be digested, some carbs can’t be digested. The easy way of thinking about it is that the fibre carbs are the ones that can’t be digested, and that’s why so many of us don’t count them.
Lower "Net Carbs" by simply adding fiber?
Callisto
#12
When I read this again, I think maybe it’s the fact that fiber is a carbohydrate that is getting in the way here.
If you took 10 g of sugar, that would have 10g of total carbs, but because of all of it is sugar and there’s no fiber, it’s 10 g net carbs.
If you took 10g of sugar and added 10g of fiber (any fiber) to it, you’d have 20g of total carbs, but because 10 of it is fiber, you still have 10 g net carbs.
The 20g carb product looks higher in carbs at first but it’s not the same because 10g of it doesn’t get absorbed by the body. But also, the presence of the fiber doesn’t in any way negate the presence of the sugar.
ketouser
#13
When I say “fiber bound card”, I am talking about these magical carbs used in products like this carbquick stuff. Super high “total carb”, but because it has fiber, it is a low “net carb”.
Compared to “regular carbs” (white bread/sugar), which doesn’t seem to have much fiber, thus high “net carb”.
According to the ingredients for Carbquick (hidden as the last image on the amazon page), it is made of something called “Carbalose flour”, which looks to just be “Enzyme enriched WHEAT”… I thought “wheat” (even “whole grain”) was bad at spiking blood sugar…
So in this case, 16g of carbs (coming from Wheat), but because it is magical “fiber bound” wheat (however they do that), it really only counts as 2g net.
Callisto
#14
It’s not magical, it’s just that they formulated a product that is high in fiber and low in digestible carbs. Look at the nutritional label. If they magically could take all the fiber out, the total carb count would drop to 2 g. The total carb count is high because of all the fiber in it.
ketouser
#15
Ah ok so you’re saying they just found a way to engineer a strain of wheat that is 90% fiber? *or maybe there is nothing special about it, and they are just mixing a tiny amount (2g) of regular old wheat in with a lot (14g) of regular old fiber?
Although to add even more confusion - they say 16g carbs, but then say 14g dietary fiber, and 14g insoluble fiber, which seems to total more than the “total” 16g…
Callisto
#16
They process it (after harvesting, I mean) in such a way to reduce the digestible carb content, it’s from the same wheat that is in everything else.
Soluble and insoluble fiber are both types of dietary fiber, so dietary fiber is like a “total fiber” listing. I’m guessing there’s no soluble fiber in this product if both dietary and insoluble are listed as 14 g, right?
collaroygal
(KCKO, KCFO 🥥)
#17
And this thread is one of the reasons why I basically stick to total carbs, too much factory foods come into play with net carbs. Only net carbs I go by are the naturally grown ones in some fruit and veggies.
ketouser
#19
Correct. Ok so even though they list dietary and insoluble twice, they are the same. so 14g fiber + 2g wheat carbs = 16g total carbs.
Think this makes sense now, thanks for your help!
Callisto
#20
Ding ding ding!!! Ha ha!
Great job! I think understanding nutrition labels is super important whether you count net or total carbs in your keto journey, so I’m more than happy to help!
I’ll add that now you can look at any nutrition label and know the net carbs for yourself. Plus for all the great food without labels, you can just google the nutrient analysis and do the same. And now you can tell why food like avocados are considered so great for keto:
lfod14
#21
Carbquik is awesome, it’s been around forever but you can NEVER use any of their recipes unless your end goal is a clumpy mess. I use it to make Belgium waffles and you ALMOST can’t tell them from the real thing! On the net carbs thing, has to be in there on it’s own, can’t fake it by adding fiber. Even then for many people net does’t seem to do the trick.
On the pizza thing, I do the traditional fathead recipe with the addition of beef gelatin and yeast. The combo gives it a little bit more of a chew like real dough and the yeast although it won’t rise it, will give it more of a bread smell and taste.
OgreZed
#23
I liked their Supreme Chicken Crust pizza. But I wouldn’t pay the regular $6.99 price. I only buy them when Fry’s Foods (i.e. Kroger) has them on sale 2/$6.
Quest Nutrition just started offering frozen low carb pizzas. On a keto Reddit group, someone said they picked a couple up at their local Target store. They said they preferred it over the Real Good pizza.
collaroygal
(KCKO, KCFO 🥥)
#24
That should have been Birch Benders my bad. Yeah, I am very aware of paleo products not working well with keto, but some do okay.
There are 11 net carbs in two pancakes if made like package instructions. He works it in, I tried one when he added some berries to them. Just doesn’t appeal to me. He is a TOFI and has issues keeping weight on, so he does eat some things I wouldn’t touch personally.
collaroygal
(KCKO, KCFO 🥥)
#25
Turns out none of the stores on their website don’t have anything but the bars. I don’t do bars, I make my own. I would be willing to go to a store that has them but ordering frozen foods on line is also not something I do.
iampurple
(Stacey)
#26
I was able to snag the last Quest pepperoni pizza at my Target last week. It was good for a frozen pizza and I’ll buy it again for a treat.
collaroygal
(KCKO, KCFO 🥥)
#28
These are the easiest but it is more fats than proteins, which I prefer:
BINSOBLESSED
(Pam Winegardner)
#30
I was wondering how the cellulose powder in carb quick affects the diet? Does anyone know. It is a concern since it seems so easy and I keep worrying about it.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#31
If you are worried about it, don’t include it in your diet. Most people do best on real foods, avoiding all the processed stuff. Except for pork rinds, coffee, and seltzer, I rarely need to go down the aisles of the supermarket anymore; everything I need (meat, vegetables, and dairy) is found on the periphery.