Keto Rage

(lou) #21

This is one of the things I struggled with last time. It’s drummed I’m from childhood to finish your plate. I’m a grazer rather than full meals so it helps to have a feeding window.

(Betsy) #22

Choline and inositol are very helpful; they are just the components of lecithin, which is an emulsifier found in for example egg yolk.

As for herbs, I mostly know about herbs for gallstones, which I don’t know if that’s the problem or just liver/gallbladder congestion where the bile flow needs to be corrected.

@ctviggen posted a link about kombucha that has some information about kombucha helping the liver and pancreas. That might be enough to get you through this.

(lou) #23

Thank you so much, I’ll do some reading :nerd_face:

(Betsy) #24

Also, the amino acid taurine might help. I think that anyone who would read about taurine would decide to take it.

(Eve) #25

To add my experiences, l too had very bad keto flu, and when l discovered the need for salts and started on them, it helped but not entirely. The main problem for me has been a negative impact on my mental health which has included flying into rages and being very irritable. I do my best not to chuck things around the kitchen unless l am my own though, so my partner is spared the worst! I have had to go back onto ssris as the mood swings were unacceptable.

(lou) #26

I’m trying that too. How long did you feel this way before it started easing?

(Robin) #27

Totally agree with @PaulL.
Eat more! It’s hard to ditch the mantra we grew up with, lose weight by starving yourself. I now eat twice as much as I did when I weighed 75 pounds more. True story. And not unusual.

Your body won’t trust you otherwise.

You got this!

#28

It’s your liver that makes them, but the euphoric feeling followed by a crash is interesting, do you check your blood sugar by chance? Because hangry would fit it you’re going hypo and that could also explain the euphoria after eating followed by a crash.

Also, on the hormones, don’t go by others, even in your family. Also if you can check your numbers in your docs portal, do so. Mainstream doctors call everything that’s anywhere in a lab range “normal”, and that’s FAR from how hormones work in real life!

(lou) #29

Thank you so much for your support. I’ve changed things up, fasting isn’t as easy for me like it was a few years ago

(lou) #30

Blood sugars within limits. Its like after a carby meal, all you want to do is nap and watch a film!

#31

Is it possible there are more carbs in what you are eating than you realize?

I love this! Agree completely. For example with thyroid there is within range and then there is a much narrower ideal range. Most MDs if you are within the “normal” range by even a hair, they consider it normal. I have a friend who is currently not well, she gets blood done all the time and the answer is fine unless it is drastically outside the range. I do not understand why people do not monitor their own numbers. It is so simple. For everyone who says they “trust their doctor,” I say trust but verify, what do you have to lose

(lou) #32

Im logging in fitnesspal, but i know this isnt always accurate!

My Dr (im UK based if others not!) wont test for anything out of the normal unless you have what he considers a genuine reason to ask for the test! I have a nurse friend who runs my bloods when I need them doing :wink:

(lou) #33

Thank you so much everyone, i feel a lot more settled and reassured that im not going to end up on some documentary. I personally think ive watched enough of them not to get caught but you never know!

(Eve) #34

Tbh it didn’t really ease until the ssris started to work. Basically, for me the keto diet exacerbated my depression and the extreme irritability is one of my symptoms that goes with it. It’s been a hard one because keto has helped some physical symptoms, but worsened others.

(lou) #35

i found out early on the first time, that there are chemical changes in the brain, what carb level are you on and has it evened out for you?

I used to wake up with hands so sore, i couldn’t close them but on keto, its definitely eased the swelling and stiffness for me

(Edith) #36

I think I am going to pipe in along the same line as @Saphire. Just because your family doesn’t get into menopause until the mid 50s doesn’t mean you aren’t in perimenopause. Our hormones don’t just suddenly stop. They slowly decrease over time and for some women those changes can begin as early as the early to mid 40s.

I’m 57 and I think I am FINALLY in menopause. My perimenopausal symptoms really started to kick in around my early 50s. Suddenly feeling angry for no reason was definitely one of them. I am fortunate that that symptom didn’t occur that often and it didn’t last that long, but it was there. In fact, I had almost forgotten about it until I read Safire’s post.

So, your feeling of rage could be coincidental with keto and actually a perimenopausal symptom, or it could possibly be keto related in that as you are getting adapted to keto once again, it is making your hormones a little wonky. But, my guess is hormones somehow, someway.

(Eve) #37

I am on less than 20g carbs per day and am permanently in ketosis. Things have evened out to some extent, yes

#38

So, I’m 56 now, and nearly into menopause. Been on Keto, then Carnivore, IF/EF, then dumpster fire, then back on mostly carnivore and some IF with hopes of starting EF again.

Moments of rage. Noticed those few times were associated with 1) the onset of hot flashes (which still plague me from time to time); and 2) When I cheat big and eat carby for more than a day- then try to return to clean carnivore.
Hot flashes can just plain make you come unglued. I used to cope with it by grocery shopping just to run to the freezer section and open one of the freezer doors and stand there. But, just prior to that time, I had some ugly mood fluctuations. So, maybe?
The other option (2) had me perplexed until I remembered something that a doc friend shared w me- and its in the book, Wheat Belly, too. Wheat as we know it has been engineered to now penetrate the blood/brain barrier. This is huge. What transpires then, essentially is that it pings our opioid receptors - to which you gotta keep feeding it that “drug” or it will spaz out. So, going cold-turkey off wheat kinda turned me from a cookie monster into a monster for a bit there. I just continued to eat butter and carry on.
One other huge help…I have taken Ashwaganda Root more steadily now, and the flashes are settling down, and I have zero mood swings.

#39

I went into menopause in my early 40s. My emotions were inexplicable and all over the place. The process dragged on for years. I used a cream hormone product that helped a lot - but It’s been a long time and I don’t remember what it was. I do have to say, I am happy to have gone through it early - life after hormonal rushes is sooooo much better than anything before. Being post-menopausal makes it all worth it.

(Robin) #40

Agree.