Just because it’s labeled KETO doesn’t necessarily mean that it is!

(Robert C) #5

Stick with total carbs - FDA requires they be stated. Opinion or “net carbs” can be big on the front of the labeling. Truth might be in the details.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #6

Good to hear from you, bro! And that’s some very good advice there—food for thought, you might say! :rofl: :rofl:

#7

On that point, don’t just look at the ingredients but also the suggested serving size. Sometimes they suggest an unrealistically small serving size so they can list carbs/sugars etc as barely negligible, or a lot smaller than what it actually is in terms of a realistic portion size. It’s just another way to fool the customer.

(Ron D. Garrett) #8

Not yet. Not due till March around St. Patty’s Day! :joy:

(Ron D. Garrett) #9

Thank you! Been working a lot.

(Ron D. Garrett) #10

Very great point. Thank you!!!

(Ron D. Garrett) #11

Totally agree. Thank you!

(Ron D. Garrett) #12

Yessir!!! Totally agree!

(Susan) #13

Oh okay, keep us posted when the big event happens =).

Labels are so significant -I check everything since Keto for sure.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #14

I don’t but any of them. If I am in a pinch it’s peperoni, sardines, cheese, salami, plain unflavored pork rinds or some nuts or an avocado. Those are my easy do anywhere KETO foods.You can buy these convenience foods anywhere on the road. I won’t eat processed food like KETO snack bars. I don’t want to encourage or support those kinds of things. No special products needed.

(Susan) #15

I haven’t bought any specialty Keto bars or anything either. The only stuff I have bought that I never used before has been Coconut Oil, and MCT powder/oil basically.

(Wendy) #16

Love coconut oil and I think I never really ate pork rinds before keto either. I’ve not bought any keto bars unless we count really dark chocolate bars as a keto bar. :grin:

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #17

Rob, as for the opinion part, we all have them, and our own is going to be the most important to us :slight_smile: But I’m a “bottom line” kind of guy. So total carbs mean nothing to me. Net carbs are what matters. If something is 15gms of total carbs, but has 15gms of non-digestible fiber, that counts as zero carbs.

(Robert C) #18

Non-digestible fiber in a whole real food - these aren’t going to be a problem.

Eat a bunch of sugar alcohol - considered (controversially so) indigestible by some people or companies (for commercial gain) where others think about half (on average) are actually used by the body (some people more, some less - half is just to limit exposure).
Then, while downing the ice cream, cake etc. - if you measure your blood ketones at zero each day - maybe consider that being “bottom line” in that case implies you can’t count sugar alcohol as 0 carb for you.

Dirty Keto means accepting company decisions (again, made for commercial gain) as fact so, if you measure, you might find you are not actually in ketosis as much as you’d like.

If lazy Keto - definitely stay away from net carb claims while trying to fat adapt (because, by definition, you aren’t measuring ketosis but you want to be in ketosis).

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #19

I’m with Chris on this. But you have to read the damn label carefully. I don’t think the fiber and total carbs numbers can be juggled beyond simple up/down rounding. But serving size matters! A gram or two rounding doesn’t much matter for a 100+ gram serving, but it matters a whole lot for a 15 gram serving size (‘tablespoon’). And I don’t think listing of other ‘carb-like stuff’ such as sugar alcohols is even required on the label. So if the total, fiber and net don’t add up you know there are some hidden carbs and/or carb-like stuff in there. Even if not listed with the macros, hidden stuff will often show up in the list of ingredients.

I should also mention that producers sometimes pull this stunt. They have 10 grams per some small serving size of real, digestible, quickly metabolized to glucose, carbs in the product. They then add 10 grams of psyllium or something similar so they can claim ‘10 grams of fiber and 0 net carbs’. There is still 10 grams of real, digestible and quickly metabolized to glucose carbs.

Carb Count Including Fiber
(Robert C) #20

71 grams of Rebel ice cream has 11 grams of carbs - listed as 3 grams of dietary fiber and 7 grams of sugar alcohol (all on the nutrition label).

On their web site they say sugar alcohol simply doesn’t count.

@amwassil I cannot tell from your text how many grams of carbs you would count a serving of Rebel ice cream.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #21

My guess is they’re pulling the stunt I mentioned by claiming sugar alcohol doesn’t count. It probably does count for many people although possibly not all. I guess you’d have to determine for yourself whether or not it affects ketosis. But the main thing is, use your judgement. What are all the ingredients in this? Is there stuff that looks like carbs - usually ending in ‘…os’ or ‘…ose’ and sometimes ‘…um’, and/or includes the word ‘modified’? Is there something that is pure fiber, like psyllium or acacia root that could be used to ‘offset’ other digestible carbs? When I find something that looks suspicious on a particular label, I draw the conclusion that the producer is being dishonest to sell product. I may be wrong, but I’d rather be wrong than eating unknowns. It also makes me more reluctant to purchase any of their products. If a producer isn’t honest about what they put in a product I presume until proven otherwise that they’re are not honest about any of their products. I’m not interested in eating any of them.

With the Rebel ‘ice cream’, I would say count as 11 grams of carbs. Whether or not you want to eat it depends on what exactly is in it. :slightly_smiling_face:

(Robert C) #22

Counting 11 grams is a good choice - basically (in my mind) equivalent to “playing these label games to cause confusion is going to be met with general distrust”.

All per container counts:

  • “Net carbs” shows 5 or 6 (depending on flavor) printed on the front of the container in large characters
  • Non-dietary fiber carb count would be (11-3)*4 or 32 carbs
  • Total carbs would be 44
  • A recommended method is to count half of the sugar alcohol carb grams so 19 or 20 grams of carbs

If someone just goes by the “Net carbs” and cannot get into ketosis on 3 pints a day - they may need to follow one of the other counting methods for sugar alcohol.

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #23

That’s why Id rather just make our own ice cream, and not use any sugar alcohols. Sucralose tastes better anyway :slight_smile: My GF has been making some butter pecan keto ice ream and it’s off the chain !!! :wink:

(Ron D. Garrett) #24

Wow!!! Been off for a while as the post that I just put up indicates and didn’t even know that this discussion was so awesome. Thank you all.