Is the mourning over? When can we discuss the pandemic in a keto context?

long-covid
#21

It’s a bit sad though that social life seems to be all about carby food for many. I try to eat low-carb since ages (well it’s not hard so I am usually successful and when I am not, it’s my choice) and I had meals with families or the other choir members where I simply avoided a big part of the options (all of them when there was a cake shop involved. I had mineral water) and no one batted an eye. It was about company, talking, not the food. Food is important but if one chooses to ignore it, I don’t feel it impacts the talk so much. Maybe I am super lucky. And I admit I never had to say no to a Grandma with a tray of baked goods, I suppose that is hardcore level (the nightmare level is when adorable kids give food to their parent).

Health… Yeah because how people eat and drink in company is healthy enough but an informed keto ruins our health :smiley: Sure.

I agree but try to tell that some vegans… Once one acted like I have insulted its religion. Maybe I did. (It was a double sin as I ate corpses a few times a year, not just avoided the sacred grains but they seemed to have a huge problem with the latter. They didn’t even know me!) And I don’t have a problem with vegans in general, most of the ones I have met never had a problem with me either (though I didn’t make it my mission to tell them the finer points of my actual diet), it’s just the loud opinionated ones who had to tell me how horrible I am when I commented on a vegetarian paleo experiment article… Paleo. Not vegan. Not even every vegans eat grains so I suppose such vegans are against other vegans too. Just like such thing happens among ketoers too, just not so much on this forum. People tend to be pretty tolerant here. About personal differences and tastes, I mean, not about BS :slight_smile: Feel free to be intolerant about stupid, dangerous beliefs, I say. Tastefully enough, of course.

#22

That thing is a distant memory at this point. The only thing that wrecked me was almost 3mo with my gym closed. Other than that, it changed literally nothing.

(Ohio ) #23

Didn’t change the way you felt about Big Pharma ?

#24

Anybody that blindly hates on big pharma isn’t paying attention. Most of the pain and money we deal with on drugs isn’t Big Pharma being evil (some is), but most of is it us paying for the gov’t over regulation and literal extortion, including a never ending de-facto royalties program they pay into to get a drug to market.

A lot of that is currently changing, between Trump going after them for lowering prices by giving us MFN status will bring some of the most expensive ones down by a huge margin, the heads of most of big Pharma have already signed onto this. Marty Makary, the head of the FDA has streamlined many types of applicants, and it’s actively encouraging mfgs who have drugs that meet certain criteria (basically low/no abuse potential, addictiveness etc) to petition to have it removed from prescription status making many drugs become OTC available which the FDA is all about now under him, but the mfgs have to formally request that. They’re also loosening the regulations on biosimilars and biologics which are some of the most expensive drugs in existence.

Only time will tell, but everything is moving in the right direction for now. What I do know is in the last 6mo one of my meds that costs almost $1200/mo which is BS because it’s a re-purposed $15 COPD drug (used for skin) and wasn’t being covered under my insurance (I was using a mfg sponsored savings program) is now costing me $0! with insurance. Stuff is happening!

(Ohio ) #25

I don’t blindly hate big pharma. I respect it. Plenty of it. However: Covid19 was clearly a gain of function, lab leak. I’m not sure that’s being debated. There’s no shortage of iatrogenic illnesses, injury, etc.

Hopefully !!! The fact that there has been so much restriction on Ivermectin and HCQ is just wrong. I am hopeful, but not holding my breath. I get very liberal on the subject of drug legalization.

#26

Sadly…there’s some dangerously low IQ people (some = a LOT) that still try to pretend thats not what it was despite all the evidence that’s surfaced.

Same, I’m a Libertarian, I should be able to buy meth if that’s what I wanted. It’d make me a moron clearly, but the FDA isn’t my parents either. Also funny since Meth is literally an FDA approved drug. Gotta love that!

(Bob M) #27

Ok, you people have to get out of wherever you’re reading this information from, because MANY people have looked at the issue of the lab leak and determined it to be false. And the vast majority of people who spout “gain of function” have absolutely no clue what that is.

And to state something like that is no longer being debated is just complete horse poop.

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I could go on and on. No one made covid in a lab. No one made lyme disease i a lab. If you believe this, start reading or listening to something else.

(Ohio ) #28

I never said anything about lyme. You have dived head first into counter research.

Start with John Brennon and work your way forward.

(KM) #29

Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be tremendous evidence on the side of zoonotic origin, either. No vector or host was identified.

Laurie Garrett’s The Coming Plague is a very detailed history of some of the world’s most dangerous zoonotic origin diseases. The problem with covid is that it doesn’t seem to really fit the model. It arose extremely suddenly and virulently, and I don’t believe there’s any history of it existing in earlier forms or small pockets or animal reservoirs or isolated regions of people having interaction with wild animals. This wasn’t a disease known to the wet markets. A disease that is entirely non existent in retrospect with any amount of searching and then suddenly the perfect killing machine … Let’s just say it’s not usually how nature works. Theoretically it could, and maybe it was the perfect storm, but research into most zoonotic disease uncovers a much longer pattern.

My second red flag is how quickly and ruthlessly the Chinese government responded. They knew this was a big deal almost instantaneously. Not quite soon enough.

There was a lab right there where it began. Obviously this could be a complete coincidence, but you must admit it doesn’t look good. And if it was working on bioweapons, or even doing innocuous research that went wrong, and 20-40 million deaths could be laid at the feet of the Chinese government (or the NIH), this was never going to be made public.

I remain on the fence, as usual, but in my eyes the evidence still shifts toward a man-made origin, even if that’s been “debunked”.

#30

LOL! You say that then post PubMed articles, which is a part of NIH, which is the ones accused of it. Also the ones that originally lied about the gain of function research that the USGAO confirmed. I wouldn’t question others choices of information when that’s what you’re bringing.

There’s being a conspiracy nut, then there’s seeing what’s blatantly in front of your face. NIH under Fauci wasn’t a trustworthy source of anything, which is why he was hung out to dry even under Biden. But I’m sure Bidens “preemptive” Pardon was for all the things he didn’t do wrong…

(Jane) #31

That’s ignorant of how the keto diet works. If you limit your carbs to less than 20 per day your blood glucose will drop as your ketones rise so you won’t have high glucose and ketones at the same time.

A KetoMojo meter can confirm or alert you to an issue as it measures both ketones and glucose in case you are worried.

Eta: not applicable to Type 1 diabetics since they don’t produce insulin, but I have a good friend who is Type 1 and wears a CGM and eats a keto diet to minimize how much his insulin pump has to put out.

(Bob M) #32

Actual virologists discussing a paper about the lab leak:

They said that to go from what was known at the time to SARS-Covid 2 would take about 1,200 changes. 1,200. And they provide many more points.

To me, this is like the “the 2000 election was stolen” theory: tons of people believed this, but when they went into court, they had no evidence. No evidence was actually produced. None.

It would be the same with the covid lab leak theory: people can believe it, but getting it into “court” in front of people who actually know (like virologists) and it would fail.

(Jane) #33

Evidence is easy to suppress when you have deep pockets to bribe people.

For example: I am convinced Ancel Keys was paid off by the sugar industry to deflect the data away from the harmful effects of sugar. He had a villa in the Mediterranean and other properties and wealth far beyond his status as a researcher.

He also ruined the career of a fellow researcher who set out to prove the sugar-heart disease relationship (don’t remember his name). The guy was suddenly denied both research grants and access to conferences.

(KM) #34

John Yudkin.

(Central Florida Bob ) #35

The thing Ancel Keys did that hit me the most is the “Seven Countries” back story. He presented data on seven countries but had data on 23. If he had presented data on all 23, the correlation that made the cholesterol story wasn’t there. The usual term in science and engineering for choosing data that backs your belief and burying data that doesn’t support it is “cherry-picking” and it’s widely regarded as corrupt.

Since my engineering field was radio systems, naturally the thing that came to my mind was showing evidence that the system I worked on really did what it was supposed to do. Imagine having 23 data points that showed your system didn’t work properly, but in that 23, there were seven measurements that looked like it did work, so you choose those seven points to certify the system. Much like the way I believe that Keys’ cherry-picked data has killed many, many people, I could imagine cherry picking data on an electronic box could kill many people.

If I had done what Keys did, I’d be in jail. He should have been.