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Is Diet Coke bad when it comes to fasting?!
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#22
To me Artificial Sweeteners are like playing with matches around an empty gasoline drum (way more dangerous than when filled with actual gasoline) or empty gasoline drum mentality?
In the new study, the team began by adding one of three FDA-approved artificial sweeteners—saccharin, sucralose, or aspartame—to the drinking water of mice. The researchers compared these groups of mice with others that drank only water. Within 11 weeks, the mice drinking sweetened water had developed glucose intolerance, most notably when saccharin was added to their diet.
To see whether the mice’s intestinal bacteria contributed to the problem, the team then used antibiotics to wipe out the mice’s intestinal bugs and found they could return the mice’s blood sugar levels to normal.
Finally, they fed fecal samples from glucose-intolerant mice to normal mice, transferring the unhealthy mice’s gut bugs. The normal mice that got these fecal samples then developed glucose intolerance within six days.
Analysis of mouse gut bacteria after the experiments found a proliferation of the bugs involved in digesting carbohydrates in the glucose-intolerant mice. (Carbohydrates are found in breads, cereals, and other foods in the human diet.)
“I think this is surprising,” Elinav says. He calls it “counterintuitive” that artificial sweeteners, which are not meant to be absorbed by the digestive tract, end up apparently altering its performance.
To see if the effect extends to humans, the team first looked at 381 people in a nutritional study headed by Segal. They found links between artificial sweetener use, symptoms of obesity and elevated blood sugar, and the kinds of altered gut bacteria seen in the mice.
In particular, the study noted a 20-fold increase in the numbers of Bacteroides fragilis bacteria, linked to inflammation in the gut.
Finally, as a proof of concept, the team enrolled five adult men and two adult women who didn’t use artificial sweeteners in a one-week experiment. In the experiment, the volunteers ate the FDA’s recommended allowance of saccharin, about 120 milligrams daily; they had their blood sugar levels checked every five minutes and underwent a daily glucose tolerance test.
“Notably, even in this short-term seven-day exposure period, most individuals (4 out of 7) developed significantly poorer glycemic [blood sugar] responses,” says the study. Normal mice fed fecal samples from the four human volunteers with glucose intolerance developed the same condition.
Along with a historical shift toward processed foods over the past century, the move toward artificial sweeteners “coincides with the dramatic increase in the obesity and diabetes epidemic,” the study concludes. “Our findings suggest that [artificial sweeteners] may have directly contributed to enhancing the exact epidemic they themselves were intended to fight.” …” …More
Just tried Erythritol for the first time
amwassil
(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.)
#23
Again @atomicspacebunny knocks it out of the ball park! Thanks a bunch.
daddyoh
(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!)
#24
I agree. I don’t even us a drop of stevia now in anything.
CrackerJax
('Jackie P')
#25
This is all so interesting. I had been in the habit of drinking (probably too many), vodkas with slimline tonic. Having hit a stall I have cut out the vodka, and by association, the slimline tonic! I do feel better for it and, even though the scale hasn’t moved very much, I have dropped another dress size.
In my search for an alternative drink, I have discovered bitters and soda water and I really like it. I’m trying to think if it has changed my appetite, but I’m not sure. Maybe because the vodka usually had me reaching for the nuts!
In the beginning, I used a lot of erythritol, which I assume causes the same response but is rarely cited, but there has been half a bag in the cupboard for ages!
goohsmom
(PSackmann)
#26
I’m sorry you’re having such a hard time with the last pounds, I’m not there yet but I can relate from previous weight loss. This statement stands out to me, if your body hurts every morning it needs some recovery time. Try reducing the frequency of your strength training but increasing the intensity, a la Doug McGuff (Body by Science). The true gains of exercise happen during recovery, and if you’re pushing your muscles hard daily they don’t have the time to recover.
Also, and this may be hard, take a look at your goal weight versus your current body fat %. Many of us were told to go by the BMI and ideal weight charts to choose a goal weight, which doesn’t take into account muscle mass and bone density. If your goal weight is towards the lower end of the chart, you may be asking your body something it can’t do without sacrificing one of those. A good friend once told me, we don’t walk around with our weight on a label and it’s true. My best friend is a beast, and my inspiration for keeping a realistic weight goal. She’s 5’ 4", size 2-4, and weighs around 150-160 depending on the season. Her doctor doesn’t even bother weighing her anymore, it throws the charts off.
Robinette71
(Tamela Robinette)
#28
A light bulb just came on for me reading this thread. Wow just wow. I’m about 5 pounds from goal weight & had been making great strides in my strength training, lifting heavy and loving the changes in my body. In 2002 I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia & although I won’t go into a lot of detail, when it flares it feels like someone beat me with a baseball bat and I have zero energy. Over the years I’ve learned clean eating, exercise and quality sleep keeps the flares few and far between. Fast forward to a few weeks ago, I’ve been working a lot and practicing OMAD and decided a little extra caffeine via diet coke would help me get through my shift(s). I didn’t see any negative affect on the scales and actually felt like the coke was helping me extend my non-eating window. Guess what? My joints have been aching, my sleep quality has been drastically affected, and I’ve had no energy to workout! I feel like pooh!!! Reading this thread made me realize the only thing I’ve changed was adding the diet coke. I had given up soda for years until a few weeks ago and I feel so dumb for thinking it was ok and not realizing it is the reason why I have felt so horrible lately! That being said, you may or may not see the weight start to fall off if you you give up your diet coke, but I would just about bet money your level of soreness will improve! As of today I am once again diet soda free!
Diygurl19
(traci simpson)
#30
Think about it… KETO is about real whole foods. Diet Coke/coke/soda etc is not real food. It’s factory made. Just my opinion.