I didn't get knocked out of ketosis?


#21

I now feel testing for Ketosis is a pointless endeavor if you’re doing it for confirmation/affirmation. I’ve read countless posts saying things like “ZOMG MAH PEESTRIP SAYS I FALLS OUT OF KETO O NOESSS!!111”. Good lord, I have enough stress in my life. Chasing down numbers in your bodily fluids or breath? I gotta draw the line there.

If you’re testing for academic reasons, hey - have fun with that. But seriously - Stay under 20g carbs. If you don’t die, you’re in ketosis. Your brain can’t function otherwise. How much more affirmation do you need besides “Holy Crap! I’m still alive, and look ma! No carbs!”

I love this!!!


#22

Thanks, Daniel, but it’s not alcohol that’s showing up on the breathometer… I don’t drink. :slight_smile:
Sue


(Barbara) #23

I have a blood keto machine … tests strips are spendy…:unamused:. I purchased to be sure I was in ketos … I can’t seem to past .06…never register as HIGH…
I work hard to keep carbs under 20., I must doing something wrong . Care to share what your normal food intake looks like to get you in high levels…


(Rob) #24

Not necessarily… some people just don’t make high ketone levels, though it doesn’t negatively impact them. Richard (one of the 2KDs) had low levels for years until he did more fasting. Didn’t stop him doing long cycle rides better than pre-keto with no nutrition required during the workout.


#25

I use blood glucose and blood ketones in a similar way. If I relied just on my feelings I’d fall down a slippery slope pretty fast. _


#26

You just really don’t need to test if you know you aren’t eating carbs. Much cheaper to track your food intake, albeit more tedious


#27

I can tell you what I eat, but it’s probably not applicable to you. I can share my system, which may be more useful to you.

About me: After losing 75 lbs of fat, I am no longer trying to lose weight, I’m trying to increase muscle and lose fat in equal amounts, so that there’s no net change. Additionally, I want continued improvement in my IR (before I started my A1c was 5.8). Lastly, I want maximum cognitive function. To those ends, I want to my body to use burn fatty acids more than (or at least equal to) glucose. Nutritional ketosis isn’t sufficient for my goals, I maintain therapeutic levels (> 2 mmol) of ketones most days of the month via a large amount of fasting. I try to eat Paleo, but not always VLC. I eat lots (and all kinds) of veggies, and have not eliminated fruit. I don’t typically track macros, but meals at home contain about 10% of calories from carbs, 50-75g per day.

About system: I’ve found that tracking BG is more useful than ketone levels when assessing the impact of dietary changes or exercise. My daily weight loss or gain was more closely correlated with changes in BG than ketone level. This supports the insulin hypothesis, as promulgated by Dr Fung and others. High insulin levels cause weight gain and high BG inhibits lipolysis. So tracking BG is an indirect way of monitoring insulin.

Measuring BG provides immediate feedback on how my body is processing a meal. Ideally, meals shouldn’t increase BG by more than 25 mg/dL. If the 60 minute postparandial glucose is a lot higher than it was pre meal, then the meal had too many carbs and/or too many calories.

With exercise, an immediate BG level isnt enlightening,
but a delayed BG reading is useful. When exercise was too strenuous (in duration, intensity, or frequency), my BG will be elevated (from basal) the next morning. With the right amount of exercise, it will be lower than normal.

Improvements in BG levels over time is another example of a NSV. Psychologically, this is important because maintaining motivation is crucial. In six months, my fasted glucose has improved by 20 points. My postparandial response has also improved.

Many people achieve their goals without diligent tracking, troubleshooting, and tweaking. Unfortunately, that doesn’t work for all, some of us need to be more conscientious about the process.


(Barbara) #28

Sounds as though you have managed a way to get this whole Keto’s figured out … ever think about being a Keto coach :no_mouth:. I am
Just trying to lose 10 lbs same 10 I have been trying to lose for 5 years … I find slow process a reason to have a cheat day and maybe have a beer with friends that really throws me off … I guess if I saw a more productive loss I would be more app to stick with it … testing my glucose levels would definitely be cheaper…