And it’s still insanely sugary and usually out in keto if your carb limit is low… Except a few of them. Apples are way too sugary but it’s all about amounts. I ate banana every day as a beginner ketoer and it gave me a fragment of the carbs I got from vegs… I ate 10g frozen banana, it was perfect for me. A whole banana just couldn’t fit especially back then when I had many carb sources.
If you eat carby stuff, you hardly can figure out your intake without tracking. With tracking, you will see and can decide if it’s worth it to eat a tiny amount of high-carb food or you are better without.
But you can’t calculate your own ketosis carb limit, of course or that you need to use net or total carbs… You can try and see (or not. I definitely don’t feel if I am in ketosis as I feel the same and water weight changes easily go away too).
Nowadays I am not even sure animal carbs count in my case. It doesn’t seem so… But even with them, I am very rarely over my personal carb limit (it seems to be somewhere around 45g but it probably changes a bit with my activity…? never noticed it but it sounds logical). But I don’t care about ketosis much as it doesn’t give me benefits. I care about feeling right and getting other benefits so I go lower with my non-animal carbs where that happens. Just ketosis isn’t enough for all of us just like ketosis isn’t needed for all of us to feel quite fine. I loved and needed my low-carb years but they stopped being really good for me while I actually could go lower.
So it’s complicated.
By the way, fruit is the absolute worst diet food to me. It’s one thing such dense sugar doesn’t feel good in bigger amounts (smaller is like 10-20g apple, I can handle that just fine. sometimes I eat 30g) but it always made me super hungry. (Too bad I adore fruits…)
Nothing can make me super hungry nowadays (except a small meal, maybe) but it still triggers overeating. Of course it’s very individual, I heard about people who could only get satiated by eating much fruit, I can’t imagine how their bodies work Satiation has no rules, apparently.
But I think normal people like all my family never can get satiated by fruits, in the contrary… Too much calories and especially sugar for something non-substantial natural candy that just makes me wanna eat… Probably worse than weed for my family members but I never even saw weed so I don’t know that But it’s VERY effective, generating huge hunger when I would be satiated for 5-6 more hours without… At least before my fat adaptation. Now it generates a very huge need for some fatty protein like sausage to mitigate the problems created by a bunch of sugar. It can’t fully neutralize it but helps.
You may try lower-carb days when you barely eat fruits (or a bit more of some low-carb ones. I liked raspberries, that was my other important keto fruit, the one I could eat in somewhat bigger amounts but it’s so flavorful that 10-20g was more than enough most of the time. now my main fruit is lemon but I go for almost zero plant carbs as that feels best…)… I know how impossible giving up fruit can be for some of us. I tried out carnivore a few years ago, my body loved it, it’s the thing that gives me benefit… But giving up my fruits? Won’t happen any time soon, probably never. BUT I can postpone eating them for some months I suppose, I never did it before but I definitely eat them in small amounts and not at all for weeks at a time. It’s not the same as truly giving them up, faaaaar from it. Some of us need to do thing gradually and with off times. It’s still way better than just giving it up and eating carbs all the time.
And maybe you find a different, very low-carb woe so amazing that you will be willing to give up things for it. Or you may change, that’s my route. If I desire any kind of fruit, I eat it, as much as I want (and consider a not horrible idea, sugar poisoning isn’t fun, in very extreme cases even my belly start to hurt and I am a hedonist so it’s unacceptable) - but I lost a very, very big part of my interest and basically all my need for fruit. (And anyway, most of my joy from my own fruits came through other means, not eating the fruit. I have a quite nice fruit garden and someone who can eat the vast majority of the fruit instead of me.)
Sometimes we see a change as something extreme and unacceptable but when we do it (going cold turkey or gradually/partially), it becomes not even super hard but definitely worth to do it.
Whatever you will do, good luck!