How do you get your food-based micronutrients?

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(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #21

I’m just having a little fun with @lfod14 because he likes to hype carbs. I realize that 2021 earth is not 20K years ago earth and a lot has changed re what animals eat and provide nutritionally. It’s not simple.

#22

I suspect our ancestors ate plenty of fruit when in season. Not exactly the fruit of today but I imagine my Swedish ancestors would eat ligonberries happily (just not condensed into a syrup and served over pancakes!). Likewise the wild raspberries that grow in the woods around me or the wild blueberries i have enjoyed in Maine. And the plants actually want us to eat the fruit so it seems less likely they should be toxic.

Pre-agricultural humans in the tropics likely had access to carbs most of the year, i wonder to what extent carb tolerance is tied to ancestry.

That said I have eaten zero fruit since going keto because I am strict about the carbs but were I to add something it likely would be some berries in the evening.

#23

Aww Not fair! I eat em’ around workouts… you know that. Not saying I don’t wish I could still eat all the garbage ones… because I want to, but I got that 4.8 A1C to maintain!

(Lynn Weber) #24

I daily supplement with D3 (and get decent sun), large dose of K2, and salt/magnesium in drinking water.

What doses and types of K2 do you take?

(Joey) #25

Having fallen face first down the rabbit hole, my wife and I recently upped our K2 with this concoction created by Patrick Theute: https://www.k-vitamins.com/

(Butter Withaspoon) #26

I don’t take any pills or supplements and it must be more than 10 years since I took vit D for a month. I am doing ok. I eat meat, eggs, dairy, veg and some fruit as treats. I would like to eat more seafood. Some of the things I eat aren’t regular foods that others eat, so I wouldn’t take my diet as a standard. My health markers are good and my fitness is great. I use salt but at a guess rather less than most. I try to listen to salt cravings (and have some cheese or fermented food)

(Edith) #27

I just don’t think the plenty from the paleo era was actually that plentiful. I’ve been through areas where wild blackberries grow, for example. A handful at a time is some good pickings. And then there’s the competition for them with the birds. I’m also assuming berries would have been shared with one’s tribe members. I just don’t think fruit would have been a major source of calories or nutrients.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #29

IIt’s difficult for many folks to realize just how profoundly humans have altered the planet since the beginning of the Holocene. Most just seem to assume that fruits and veggies were pretty much similar to what we have nowadays and that our Paleolithic ancestors just took a casual stroll through the forest to gather the bounty. Not so. Nearly all of the fruits and veggies we have now did not exist in their present forms, in fact, most didn’t exist at all until a couple hundred years ago. Primitive fruits and veggies were mostly cellulose and lignin with very low digestible nutrients. That’s why our primate relatives have huge guts that humans no longer possess.

I challenge anyone who thinks they can do it to try to find sufficient non-animal food to survive a few days in any wilderness area you wish. Anywhere you wish - you can choose the place - just walk off into the forest or the prairie with nothing but your wits. Let us know how long you last. You can even take any book written by Euell Gibbons to help you.

(Edith) #30

Dr. Bill Schindler, who is an experimental archeologist, did a National Geographic series. Unfortunately, I can’t think of the name at the moment. In each episode he lived in the wild for 10 days at a time, mimicking how humans hunted and gathered though the different epochs of our evolution using only the tools of that epoch.

Now, I understand that the flora and fauna have changed over the millennia, so maybe this really isn’t a good representation about how our early ancestors ate, but the amount of non animal foods he and his companion were able to gather was almost nil. Some kind of meat was usually their best or only option for sustenance.

(Joey) #31

Potentially good source of fiber.

(Sara) #32

Organs. If you don’t want to eat them in their original form, desiccated organs, which do come in pills, but are 100% real food.