Plenty of us now prioritise protein over fat now, certainly do not limit it in any way.
Hello everyone 222
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#22
If youāre trying to build muscle, then you definitely need more protein. But there is evidence to suggest that we have an instinct for how much protein we need. Iād say that a ketogenic diet is neither high- nor low-protein, but just how much protein we actually need is a topic for debate, these days. Not to mention that there is a considerable range of individual need for protein.
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#23
I checked my food intake yesterday by filling in my food diary/calculator for macros. Iāll do that on occasion just to see if I may be over-working my bod, but under-fueling it. I feel I am, and I am usually right on, Iām with you @PaulL
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#25
Right, but Iāve noticed most folks are like myself in that they agree we each have to find the best ānumbersā for our bodies. One size doesnāt fit all.
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#26
For me prioritizing has to be the whole diet, and that has to be prioritized over exercise, or the same level of priority. I see too many folks working their butts off but paying little or no attention to what they eat. Whatever their choice is, it is their choice. I used to do the same thing. Live and learn I guess 
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#27
Percentages of calories are not a good way to go. The carb limit is not a percentage of calories, but a certain number of grams. This is because the insulin response to carbohydrate based on the amount of glucose (i.e., carbohydrate) in our blood stream, and there is a threshold, 25 Ī¼U/mL, above which insulin acts to cause us to store the excess glucose in our blood as fat. To be able to release fatty acids from storage to be metabolised requires lowering insulin below that threshold, which in turn entails cutting carbohydrate sufficiently to allow insulin to drop. But the point is that insulin responds to a certain weight of glucose in grams, not to what percentage of calories that amount represents.
The protein requirement is also not a percentage of calories, but an amount based on lean body mass.
Then, in a ketogenic context, the energy lost from cutting carbohydrate is replaced by adding however much fat is necessary to satisfy hunger. Fat is more calorie-dense than carbohydrate, so it takes less to provide the same amount of energy. For example, 133 g of fat contains the same number of calories as 300 g of carbohydrate.
lfod14
#28
So Iām clearly not @Shortstuffā¦ but something tells me itās because Berg isnāt a Keto physician at all, heās a Chiropractor with no real nutritional backing, constantly says a lot of incorrect nonsense, pushes his products, and most of his videos are bad remakes of others in the keto space that know what theyāre talking about. At one point somebody made a compilation of the heavy hitters in the space and as quick as they made a video, Berg would make a near identical one like clockwork.
Goldengirl52
(Denise)
#29
@ifod, I think Dr. Bergās been run down pretty good here, but I did want to ask out of curiosity what your credentials are?
Iām not sorry for calling you on this because there is so much negative toward other people today in this world and I have never seen much of that on this forum, which is why itās been my favorite. Maybe I just havenāt read enough, but I donāt recall seeing as much as I have seen, and on a Welcome thread to boot, where a new member stated they have been following Dr. Berg.
Shinita
#30
There was a therapeutical ketoā¦ And there is keto where you need to eat little enough carbs and there are no lame fixed percentages that obviously are wrong for many people.
Thatās for people who adore fixed numbers, I guessā¦? IDK why they exist though, percentages arenāt important things and they can be very off from our needs.
Yesterday I ate my minimum protein and got 42% proteinā¦ It was an unusually low-cal day (but I donāt go near 20% anyway) and I need high protein to avoid hunger at night. If one has a lower energy need and a higher protein need, of course this percentage is higher. It doesnāt matter if itās 20% or 30 or 40 or 10. It must be the right amount in grams for the one in question.
Do what feels good to you. If your feelings is reliable, they arenāt always.
We need a bit more protein to gain muscle, not really much (at least we use very tiny amounts to build muscles, itās a slow process for everyone who is natural), we need a lot more just to function well. And itās very individual how much we feel right with. My body apparently needs more than it is ālogicalā so I eat accordingly (I CANāT eat adequate protein on most days, I get hungry again and again and again, fat doesnāt help. so I eat high protein and all is well. my exercise doesnāt change my energy and protein need to feel satiated and okay, apparently).
Itās usually pretty hard to overeat protein to the point where it causes problems. Some people can do it, either because they can eat a ton of protein or because they have problems if they donāt keep it lowish. But usually we just eat protein and if itās way over our calculated needs, itās still not a problem. We may have some other reason to watch our protein though.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#31
Dr. Berg is a polarising figureāon these forums, if nowhere else. Those of us who like him love him, those of us who dislike him really think very poorly of him. Since weāve had a number of other threads on the topic of his usefulness or lack thereof already, letās agree to disagree and move on, please.
gingersmommy
(Marianne)
#32
I had no idea! I thought he was an MD. I have seen a few of Dr. Bergās videos and will look exclusively for them now.
Goose55
(Walt )
#34
In my last physical, after having lost 30 pounds through Keto, the Blood tests showed I am no longer pre-diabetic, but now normal