Getting Less Sleep on Keto or Carnivore = Normal

#21

I do, I do. It is called a ‘real normal natural balanced in tune with the friggin’ universe away from chemical infested, sugar loaded, pollution of the body’ sleep :slight_smile: As life meant it to be. We were not meant to sleep X amt of hrs. There is no written body guideline from the universe. We were meant to hunt/gather our food, find water, avoid predators and live a natural life as intended as any other animal on this planet.

Sooooo……natural sleep is not a magic number. Some of us are detoxing, toxin dumping, changing our ways into a new eating realm of fresh food and dropping the entire line of ‘kill the body’ food and we are thriving but on different paths of our sleep right now. Not everyone will need less, some of us gain more for our better health :slight_smile: :slight_smile: We all find our natural rythym and what suits our lifestyle as we get healthier in the physical body.

I was always a short sleeper my whole life. I was a farmer gal. I got up at around 3:30 am and worked til about 4 pm cause by then the heat of the day in the South where I am is horrible so you melt and give out. I was a night owl. To bed around 11-`12 pm at night and up around 3:30-4 am. Oh yea I got by on little sleep, always did mostly.

But went extreme low carb into carnivore. My gosh I sleep more. I now get like 6 whole hrs of sleep!!! I am thrilled beyond thrilled. Did it take a while to get here, darn right it did but I am hormone balanced, I am toxin dumped by now thru the years and I found me in this. My whole 6 is enough. BUT I am also retired now so I don’t have a job at this point and stress I know that would effect people isn’t in my life from a job right now. find work/life balance if one can and yes, we do truly ‘rebalance our lives’ so much better ‘eating clean’ from the pollution of the food produced out there.

And yes, the body needs repair sleep time, but if it is unpolluted it definitely doesn’t need as much of that and you would get a better sleep if the body isn’t ramped up and trying to deal with toxins/chemicals ya ate thru the day and are killing your body…you are asking less of your body to repair so you could sleep deeper, happier, longer and better but even if a bit shorter, cause that is all your body requires, you still wake up feeling wonderful!

Ok I just let it roll out and that is kinda what I think on it HAHA

You will :slight_smile: You are changing a lot about yourself. You hold strong and as the toxins leave the body you will repair and find a new true great balance in your life!!

(Keto Koala 🐨) #22

Oh man bloody apps. I spend enough time looking on the carb app :joy:. It’s 11.12 pm and I’m really hoping, PRAYING that sleep finds me tonight. Sleep really is a healer. The body seriously needs it. Once I had to catch three long trains and wait at a dodgy train station for 12 hours overnight. I was literally awake for almost three days and nights. By the end of the journey my hearing was all warped and everything was moving and whirling around and I felt awful. I then slept for 15 hours straight.

#23

Didn’t really start having insomnia until a few months into OMAD. During OMAD, my carbs were very low on most days which I think can drive you into a deeper state of ketosis

I felt energetic and almost restless during the day but at night, found it difficult to go to sleep and stay asleep. I therefore think a deeper state of ketosis increases cortisol which can cause sleep problems. Low carb and Vitamin D3 supplementation also reported cause reduced serotonin and melatonin levels, which may explain why the high cortisol is not being countered.

What I found helped me a bit was:

1.On days that I did a lot of activities, I kinda slept well. So perhaps some activity earlier on in the day wears you out and helps you sleep later. I think a lot of excercise will only make it worse though but that’s just an assumption - I havent tried it yet.

2.Increasing my carbs up to the maximum keto limit (20g) and eating the carbs separately from my protein/fat.

On the days I have my OMAD meal in one go (i.e eating carb+protein+fat+supplements together), I have poor sleep but very high energy during the next day.

On the days that I eat my 20g carbs first at the start of my OMAD one hour window, then eat my protein/fat at the end of the one hour window, I sleep better but have moderate-but-still-good energy the next day.

My theory is that the carb intake (in the absence of protein) pushes some tryptophan into my brain which helps produce melatonin to counter the cortisol. Or perhaps it pushes me out of a deeper state of ketosis and that somehow reduces cortisol.

3.When I just eat keto throughout the day, I sleep fine, which is why I want to reach my goal weight quickly and revert to occasional OMAD and mostly 20:4 or 18:6. OMAD itself is likely increasing my cortisol or perhaps multiple insulin spikes throughout the day brings down cortisol.

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So for now, I’m still OMAD but eating my 20g carbs first/separately. I do miss the higher daytime energy from eating much lower carbs but I have to assume that long term sleep deprivation can’t be good for me either.

Regarding the original post, I don’t think we need less sleep persay. I might be inclined to agree if we were all having shorter but deep and undisturbed sleep but this not the case. I think the result of a deeper state of ketosis is disturbed sleep which makes us get less sleep.

(Keto Koala 🐨) #24

Wow I was a farmer gal too. Grew up in the country and up until I broke my back, I worked with racehorses. 3am starts then finish at 11am then back to work from 2.00pm till 5.pm. I was always tired though but that’s because I wasn’t eating enough. I would LOVE to live the simple farm life again. Maybe one day. I know I will get sleep eventually. My body will heal xx😊

(Susan) #25

Avoid caffeine from mid afternoon onwards, I find that this helps me personally.

I drink some relaxing herbal tea in the evening (like ones called Bedtime, or camomile, etc that are meant to relax and help you sleep in the evening).

I always have some Melatonin in the house in case I really need to sleep and cannot.

(Keto Koala 🐨) #26

Hi Susan. That’s great idea. I only had my morning coffee instead of two and tonight just had green tea. Hopefully that will help.I also read every night and sometimes that makes me sleepy. Plus it’s a lovely way to finish the day. I’m a self confessed bookworm :heart_eyes:

(Susan) #27

The green tea I have here has caffeine in here, so you might want to buy the decal version. I have seen it in the stores as well.

#28

wow that is SO cool cause little old me, we bred and raised Spotted Saddle Horses on our farm. I am a horse gal to the max. When I sold my last horse a few years ago it was like my life was shut down. Luckily I found kayaking, hiking up mountains and more. My ride time on my horse with my best friend, heck we would trailer all over and ride state parks and more, I thought, wow I am horseless…NOW what to do with my life.

I knew I liked ya Bubby!! Now I truly know why, we get each other LOL…see the universe connects us horse gals HAHA

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #29

I will admit I don’t take naps since going keto (generally) but no matter what diet I’m eating I sleep less in the summer and more hours per night in the winter so I know my sleep isn’t completely dependent on diet.

(Keto Koala 🐨) #30

Oh crap I didn’t know that. I have an unopened thing of herbal ginger tea though. Will try that one xxx

(Keto Koala 🐨) #31

Wow that’s amazing. I am HORSE CRAZY!! I learnt to ride the moment I could walk and had a beautiful palameno gelding called Felix. He was my best and most loyal friend. I won many ribbons and trophys with him but I also used to just sit on his back and read him books :joy:. My whole entire life has been horses. My parents were both Jockeys as was my Bro but I wasn’t much into the sport of racing so I didn’t become one. I was just happy taking care of them off the track. I too am in shock as I’m now horseless too. How does one go from having over 20 to none. God I miss their beautiful rich horsy smell. Can smell it now. Glad your horse crazy too. They are very special souls :heart_eyes:

(Keto Koala 🐨) #32

When I suffered bad depression I had a lot of naps. I would go to work then just sleep if I wasn’t working. It is harder to sleep in summer that’s for sure. Australia is in the middle of it right now. It’s always easier to sleep when it’s cool. I love it when it’s raining at night and your snuggled up under the doonas and hear the rain pitpatter on the roof :heart_eyes:

#33

oh boy I am you :slight_smile: Yup horse crazy from birth.

What I tried was competition jumping…til that one day I fell off over a 6 ft. oxer jump and did something to my hip that just shut me down. And I found total fear of it all. Sad but true. I traded the English jump saddle for a western saddle and started just trail riding to the max. Fun riding instead of competition.

I so loved reading about Felix. I know when ya get that horse that is the best it is like having another part of you!!! So glad you had Felix!!

I had Willy. Best darn quarter horse on the planet. He passed at 32 yrs old and then I had Peepers who passed at 22. But those horses were literally part of me to no end.

I did the horse thing for over 40 yrs…when my last one left the farm I was in shock literally but realized the ‘livestock’ ties ya down and hubby and I want to travel so much more now since kid is getting close to college time. I had to trade the love of my farm and horse time into another aspect of life. Rough still LOL but times just darn change for many of us, whether we want it or not I guess.

Your parents and bro were jockeys. SO COOL. No kidding! I wanted to go to college at literally a horse college in Virginina to learn about horse racing as a career and more and my parents would not pay for it one bit. My mom was like…horses can’t be a career! Done deal. So I went off and got a fancy computer degree and made a crapload of money but then went out a bought a horse immediately…after moving I met hubby, horse breeder, and everything changed to farming.

I loved reading your lifestyle B! I got as much of the horsey lifestyle as I could :slight_smile:

(Keto Koala 🐨) #34

Omg this is quite freaky. You are awesome. I did show jumping until I too fell but I fell on my arm. Didn’t wanna do it after that. Also Felix (Lex as I called him) died at about 32 as well. Only three years ago. He had a lovely life though. The thing he l loved more than ANYTHING was food. :joy:. When I was a kid, I would not eat all day long at school just so I could give him my lunch when I got off the schoolbus​:joy:. He would be there waiting. When I got scared at night, I would crawl out my window and sleep in the stable with him. Lol. You sound SO much like My Mum!! She too the moment she was about 12 or 13 said “I wanna be a jockey”. Her parents said no but my Mum met a horse trainer that let her have a holiday there to teach her stuff. She became an apprentice jockey at 16 and won her very first race. My dad became one at 14 and so did Harry my Bro. Harry was one of the leading jockeys in Australia and was even in a movie about the Melbourne cup. He could ride anything that boy. He got too heavy to ride though as he was just pure muscle, and he got very depressed. Racing was his life. I swear he was part horse. He died by suicide at 20, 9 years ago. I know he is riding through the clouds on his horse though. I felt a connection to you and now I know why. I loved hearing some of your story with your horses. It’s awesome :horse::horse::horse::heart_eyes:

(Keto Koala 🐨) #35

Fangs, I think we made this thread all about horses. Oops :joy::joy::joy:

#36

yes we did and before I wanna say a ton about what ya wrote back to me…wow cause I find it so interesting!~…I went off and created an Accountability thread called FANGS!
So me and you can talk more! And not hijack the threads LOL

So I am gonna ask mods to move all this over into that new thread I made and we can chat up. US horse gals just have to connect and chat it out :slight_smile:

Sound good? Hope so…come find my new thread and we can chat crazy life crap there! Wait to see ya on the new thread I made…find me on it! We got horse stuff to talk LOL

(Keto Koala 🐨) #37

I will go find it. :blush:

#38

I found that if I don’t go to sleep within two hours after dark, I end up staying up most of the night. That links it to sunlight, and serotonin. I found that having dinner within that timeframe, and having a bit of alcohol with it, lets me sleep exactly 8 hours and get up refreshed and full of energy. Mind you, it’s not a lot of alcohol, and it’s a part of dinner. Works for me. The work around I used a lot when travelling long distances and suffering from jet lag, I tried to land at my destination while still having a few hours of daylight and spending a little time outdoors just before dark, like taking a little walk. Then I would take some serotonin and go to bed and sleep like a baby. Without that, I found it very hard to adjust to the time change and felt like a wet rag all day. Not saying that would work for all, we are all different.

(Scott) #39

I don’t seem to need as much sleep and often wake at 2 or 3 and read for awhile. If I am not careful my insomnia will creep back. What really helps me is getting out of bed at 4:30 am to go run and workout until 6:00 am. I feel invigorated and can sleep well the next night. Caution: this pattern is not instantly great until it becomes a habit so don’t expect instant results.

(Windmill Tilter) #40

These two things do not logically follow. Yes calories are expended digesting food. What does this have to do with sleep? Nothing.

When you fast, your body does a lot less work in digesting, therefore your muscles shrink due to atrophy, which in turn lowers your metabolic rate, thereby making fat loss increasing difficult. Like Bragg’s, the previous statement casually links tangentially related things without the support of evidence. Anybody can do it. It takes much greater rhetorical talents than this to sell magic potions, books and vinegar however.

When Bragg wasn’t selling vinegar and magic potions in his career as a “life extension specialist”, he could often be found lying about things like his own age, his academic credentials, that sort of thing.

Early Life

Bragg claimed to have been born in 1881 in Fairfax County, Virginia,[3] but genealogical research indicates he was born on February 6, 1895 in Batesville, Indiana, where his father was Editor/Publisher/printer of the “Batesville Democratic Herald” newspaper.