Do you take vitamins?

#21

Hi kib1, the problem is not all of us do eat grassfed meat, and wildcaught fish, free range eggs, organic chicken, etc, because it’s just not possible. Now Dr. Paul Mason’s opinion is that it’s not a problem if we eat grainfed meat (high in omega 6), so long as we then get our omega 3 from other sources such as fish, and both Mason’s and Dr. Malcolm Kendrick’s opinion is that supplements become both neccessary and beneficial, when we can’t get all those vitamins and minerals from our food stuffs, the soil being depleted, etc.

Now, I do eat fish, but it’s likely to be farmed fish (as there’s no information regarding this and wildcaught would be a selling point). And I imagine I’m not alone. So because the keto or carnivore WOE for a lot of people is not 100% optimal (aka grainfed meats, farmed fish) supplements might be beneficial. As to vitamin D I hardly get any sunlight. So I know I require vitamin D, and I take vitamin D3. Don’t actually know what the 3 stands for. It is important to take into consideration individual circumstances, not everyone can afford to buy grassfed, wildcaught, organic etc. And not everyone gets enough sunlight.

#22

Oh, keto too? I only knew that about carnivore and my Chemistry knowledge is abysmal so even if I see the explanation, I can’t see if it works on keto too…
So it’s not the (near) complete lacks of non-animal carbs, just low enough insulin? Lovely! That way I may add something with Vitamin C and some carbs and it does better to my Vitamin C situation…
I don’t worry about it but I really cook and fry my meat so my Vitamin C intake must be very, very low, maybe too low… I didn’t get scurvy yet but I didn’t do carnivore for very long at a time either… (Though I rarely add much Vitamin C even on many of my off days I suppose. But as I don’t know the relevant numbers… Especially that how much Vitamin C is left in my food after I cook the hell out of it, I would think zero but it is probably not exactly that… So I am totally unsure.)

#23

I take Magnesium, 5000iu of D3, K2, and use Morton lite salt for a little extra potassium. I used to take omega 3, but now eat salmon and canned sardines for the omega 3.

(KM) #24

I understand, sorry. I didn’t mean to suggest that everyone doing keto has an ideal nutrition profile, I was just trying to show some examples of why standard recommendations might not apply to people with non-standard diets or non-standard lifestyles, even if they were generically good advice for the general population. I’ve also been reading more and more studies that seem to suggest that the pill form of many things is really not very effective, that as might be expected, the body wants its nutrition wrapped up in real food.

#25

I get ya on your post.

but also remember one thing. Your ‘natural food’ ain’t ALL that real any more also. Corn is not natural as it has been gen mode with science to become the ‘corn of our time’. All veg have been manipulated as with fruits and more. They are super sweet and franken-made thru science to what is on our plates today.

being a farmer for my life biz I always bought heirloom seeds only and bought the less processed and closest to ‘real species’ when we planted our acres. I tell even those are disappearing now and even those spieces without all the science injected still ain’t what real food was in ancient times on this planet.

I tell ya it is very hard to ‘compare’ against it all now. In fact the scientist and corps took ‘real comparisons’ away from the world. All food is being manipulated to a level of we can’t compare in alot of forms what effects ‘real food of today’ has on our physical bodies. Best we can do…eat what works best for each of us at all times and dump the crap and more and soldier on.

(KM) #26

Oh yeah, I know. I do try to avoid things that seem overly modified, whether that’s actual genetic engineering or classic breeding techniques, but there’s really no way around it unless you want to stick to forage and squirrel hunting.

#27

:100::star_struck::joy:

Tough navigation for sure out in the stores.
We all went from providing our own to ‘buying our food’ from others. That alone set the tone.

I doubt most will go back to ‘olden days’…ain’t happening. It is all over now in this global have all world. Again wonder what 50 yrs or so will show how ‘food progresses’ but we all gotta do like ya said, find what we feel we need on our plates and go for that. best we can do.

(B Creighton) #28

I grew up in Florida, and in my teen years I never got sick… like ever. I did have allergies. I went up north to school and got the flu. I now live around 40 deg parallel. A few years back I finally got tested, and my vitamin D was falling to the very bottom of normal by Thanksgiving. By Jan it would be below normal range. I found to stay in the middle of normal, I had to take 10,000 IU (250 mcg) of D3/day during the winter. That is ten times the USRDA which is pathetically low for a winter dose in most of the US. Since I’ve started doing that I rarely get sick. I did get covid for 2.5 days, but it was virtually nothing more than a small ache behind my eyes. I’ve also found about 150 mcg of K2 MK7 to be helpful in keeping down my BP, and now believe the SAD is woefully deficient in this vitamin compared to what our ancestors got with fermented foods.
I used to take a multi-vitamin, but some years back I learned more about vitamins, and became somewhat dubious of the ones I was taking because they contained synthetics. When I switched to a whole foods based vitamin, I immediately noticed an uptick in my energy level. So, the one I now take has folate instead of folic acid, methylcobalamin instead of cyanocobalamin, some retinal palmitate instead of only betacarotene, and I take it at only a 2/3 dose just to make sure I am getting everything. I believe vitamin C is highly overrated because most is going to immediately end up in the toilet. So, sometimes I will use a liposomal version. I take my vitamins in the morning with a whole fat goat yogurt to maximize absorption.
I also take a number of other supplements as anti-inflammatories and for general health such as calcium 2aep. I have found that supplemental collagen seems to help me. I am now 60, and the evidence shows my own production of collagen at this age is a small fraction of what it once was. I’ve noticed my nails for instance are notably stronger. At night I take ZMA, but that has gotten too expensive IMHO, and when it runs out, I am switching to magnesium glycinate and zinc picolinate or gluconate. I take another small amount of a mineral blend. I take boron daily. I take a mix of other supplements such as alpha lipoic acid, krill oil, calamari oil, cod liver oil, NAC, fisetin, etc.

(Fernando Urias) #29

I take one-a-day multivitamin/multimineral supplement after my one-a-day meal. I has a list of 23 vitamins and minerals. I added one magnesium pill (250 mg, 60% Daily Value) since the one-a-day only has 110 mg (26% Daily Value) and sometimes I would get a cramp on my left hand. I also take 2,400 mg Fish Oil (2 pills, EPA 360 mg, DHA 240 mg, 250 mg of each is one of the recommendations). I try to eat one can of sardines every 3 days. For potassium, I try to eat one small avocado per day with table salt. One small avocado (150 grams) has 727 mg potassium, 21% DV.