Do you guys drink wine ever?

(Carl Keller) #22

I made veal marsala last week and figured the marsala had a few carbs but didn’t check. As I was cleaning up and put the wine away, I noticed it had 4 carbs per tbs… I took a hit on carbs that day (high 30s), but I fasted the next 2 days. I poured the rest of the marsala down the drain… about 1/2 a botttle.

(Doug) #23

TeeCee, definitely agreed on the ‘eating carbs breeds cravings for more carbs’ thing. (Am always willing to testify, there.)

In general, I think that protein and fat can be just as satisfying or more, after having a couple drinks, or a couple dozen, for that matter. The “alcohol munchies” ( pronounced hunger) is a fairly well-known phenomenon - I wonder if booze affects the leptin (one hormone that cuts down the appetite) equation in the body…?

The rub comes from how well we’ve internalized the “Keto is a lifestyle” deal, in my opinion. I struggle with it a lot - really have never gotten rid of the deprived feeling, even though I rationally know there’s no need at all for that old harmful excess and those dietary habits. When the inhibitions come down - due to alcohol - I zoom to a ‘Pizza/Italian Sausage Parmigiana Hoagie’ type existence. I’m a smart guy, and you’d think I’d be able to get over this stuff. As it is, I deal with it.

#24

Never drink it. Do not like that after taste. Does nothing for me.

Will sip some Crown and Seven on rare occasions.

#25

The health benefits of wine are true but only for one small glass. They are lost and in fact cause damage if you consume more than one glass. As a person who has to ‘finish the bottle’ and indeed did almost everyday prior to Keto, I haven’t had any alcohol since Aug 2017 - did/do I miss it? No.
I agree that weekends, holidays seem a bit boring at first but truthfully, you get over that. My productivity has increased, my conversation is as confident ‘without a social boost’, I am more sensitive to the needs of those around me but best of all, i ceased damaging my health and am able to stick to Keto in a way that alcohol would blur into ineffective execution. 10lbs to goal :grinning: I realise this might not be for everyone :cherry_blossom:

(Alex ) #26

Hi @Sleeplessinabitibi

Off keto, I like a nice Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc (white & 3g per glass ish) but otherwise I am a vodka man the whole way, neat/with ice or diet lemonade/fizzy water (zero carbs)

Generally I try not to drink when super focused though, always a recipe for disaster.

#27

I can have a glass of Rose wine without any ill effects. I tried 2 to see what effect it would have on blood ketones early on, and it lowered them only slightly.

If i have a glass of wine, i have no other carbs that day or keep it under 5g

#28

Luckily I can’t stand wine, but I know Dry Farms is a real popular one in our circles.

(Alex ) #29

never ever tried rose funnily enough @Legoverlass

#30

@Alex_PN Its great when you can’t choose between Red or White :wink:

(Alex ) #31

I can always choose @Legoverlass ! There are definitely tried a tested brands that get me where I need to be (wasted :wink: )

(less is more, more or less) #32

Again, I’m going to recommend that Diet Doctor podcast featuring Todd White. One of the fascinating things they discuss is how the wine industry does not have to include a list of ingredients on their bottles. Think about how unique that is for everything we buy from the market. One of the advantages, from the producer’s point of view, is all the crap they put in mass-produced wine.

https://learn.winecoolerdirect.com/surprising-wine-ingredients/

egg whites, bentonite clay, mammal proteins and plastics. Luckily, all are filtered out before the bottling begins.

“luckily”

I learned to love red wine on our honeymoon, when we biked through Tuscany. Locally produced wine (duh) was so delicious and surprisingly inexpensive.

In the USA, the stuff you buy at the supermarket is a simulacrum of wine, caveat lector.

#33

My drink is, no was, cider. The carb count per drink is massive. I haven’t touched it since I started Keto in September. I plan to drink gin and slimline tonic the next time I take a drink. I was drinking cider nearly every day for the 6 months before I started Keto and I was expecting to lose a lot of weight in the beginning weeks due to cutting it out but I didn’t? Can anyone tell me why?

#34

Scientific research on the benefits of wine (both modern and ancient) is all about it strictly as an aliment (accompaniment to food) NOT as merely a beverage without food. This is huge, because of wine’s exponential impact on gastrin production when mixed with food allows most of its metabolizing to happen in the stomach/gut rather than the liver - which is fascinating.

Lately I’ve been reading the compendium of studies cited by UC San Francisco School of Medicine professor, Medical Historian, and Immunologist Salvatore Lucia MD in his books & articles published in the the 1950s and 1960s, (along with Phillip Norrie PhD’s continuance of the work) which provide a ton of scientific evidence and protocols for those outside of the southern european and mediterranean food cultures with regard to wine.

They also expose how the non-european industrial food culture has marketed hard alcohol and beer as beverages, and downplayed wine as an alimentary, lumping it in as yet another intoxicating beverage in a culture of addiction.

For those without pancreatic health issues, the benefits of the aforementioned alimentary wine are seen more with daily use with meals, rather than sporadic use, and up to a 1/2 liter is highly recommended.

For invalids and the immunocompromised - just a few tablespoons of wine a day is restorative for digestive power and also circulation as seen in various biomarkers. Wine’s antibacterial effects when mixed with water for 6 hours make it an excellent water purifier in regions where wine is readily available. This is huge with regard to typhoid fever, cholera etc.

For most alcoholics though - the triggering of alcohol can happen even with food - so best to be avoided.

(Doug) #35

Mary, gotta say again how much I appreciate your posts. :slightly_smiling_face: They’re often mixtures of facts and mystery and mystique, but you bring it all together in a very good way.

#36

Thank you Doug :blush: glad my mix is working for you. I do have a long love of interdisciplinary and cross-cultural inquiry & analysis!

Dr. Lucia himself in his writing speaks about how the compelling scientific facts lead to a greater understanding of actual and persistent mysteries in the grape-yeast-microbe fermentation processes and human physiology. It takes a certain humility to acknowledge and honor the unknown, but to me that’s where it’s at and what I keep aiming for :wink:

#37

I understand, and if the defenses are down. somtimes we dont want to put in the time to make a …say…keto version hoggie!
And we can be …caught off guard…and crave somthing we have not bought the groceries for.
I think a good idea, would be to prep a keto version
“junk food”, then have your drinks, and WOW no mess!!!

(Alex ) #38

There’s a lot of over exaggerated claims about wine and antioxidants and general health benefits, the effects are so miniscule, compared with the alcohol/calorie negatives, it’s really hardly worth making a song and dance about… I guess each to their own though… do love a glass of red wine with a nice rare steak, and a few cheeses!