Can't digest leafy greens?

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(Butter Withaspoon) #21

Just a thought, the symptom of “passing shards of glass” sounds like haemorrhoids. This issue with adding greens could be the increased bulk of the stool making it harder to pass.
Something that could be worth looking into?

#22

I have heard some anecdotal and n=1 reports of some people getting some rise in BG from consuming fiber but from what I have seen and from personal experience - fiber generally does not impact blood glucose, insulin or ketone levels.

There are reports that veggies can help lower cholesterol but this will not result in an excessive lowering of cholesterol. It has not - in my experience.

I think if you stopping your hard job was what caused your digestion to slow down, it would affect your digestion generally. It would not selectively affect digestion of certain veggies - I don’t think.

I’d echo what the member above said above looking to see if you may have haemorrhoids due to the shard-like pain mentioned.

I hope the delirium is improving!

(Bob M) #23

That could cause me all types of issues. Now, I eat salads very sparingly. For instance, I eat meat “salads” (no vegetables at all except maybe olives) to avoid this.

The bulk in stool salads causes also causes issues like hemorrhoids, constipation, etc., for me. Exactly the opposite of what is supposed to happen.

Anyone who can eat plants like this, more power to them. I, sadly, cannot.

And if it is a “biome” issue, I spent months taking probiotics (many different types, including “soil-based” versions, fermented veggies), and prebiotics (many different types such as tiger nuts, potato starch), and this seemed to cause issues, not resolve them.

Now, I may have had SIBO, but I did not know what that was at the time, and did not get a test taken.

But all these issues cleared up once I stopped eating so many plants and went to eating mainly cooked plants.

Just in general, I think plants are bad for us. For instance, people say that leafy greens are good for us, but they really have no calories or nutrition to speak of, and plenty of anti-nutrients.

Having said that, I will have salads on occasion. Had one last night. Small, added tones of other stuff to it (olives, anchovies, etc.).

But I still retain the ability to digest things like tomatoes, though I rarely have them.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #24

Dr. Paul Mason, an Australian physician involved with Low Carb Down Under, likes to say that eating fibre to help with constipation is like putting more cars on the road to help clear up traffic jams.

(Fabien Paillusson) #25

Anecdotally the “passing shards of glass” sensation happened to me multiple times upon refeeding after a moderately long fast and went away after a week or so. Allegedly, it could be due to the passing of old material (usually rotting fibres) in the colon that was stuck there for quite a while. I don’t know for how long you have tried but the sensation may disappear after this potential ‘cleaning’ process has been done so to speak.

(Joey) #26

Could anyone experiencing this sensation please clarify (for those of us blessed with having missed out on this miserable event): Is this feeling occurring at the periphery? … or deeper into the colon or lower digestive tract?

Regardless, it sure sounds beyond unpleasant.

(Fabien Paillusson) #27

Just to say that in the experience I described “shard of glass” is a bit exaggerated. It just feels like stools are kinda pointy or hard. It is not necessarily painful. The sensation is really upon exit, nowhere else in my case at least. It appears to be quite common (and possibly a good sign) after breaking a quite long fast. Lauren Lockman on YouTube talks a lot about this ‘old material’ story getting out upon refeeding. The youtuber from the channel VegetablePolice has reported this same ‘shard’ sensation when he did a 20 day fast. This is all completely anecdotal however. Not sure there is any peer reviewed paper on this :sweat_smile:.

(Joey) #28

Thanks for clarifying. That’s a relief! :wink:

(Jane) #29

Anyone who says they have the “toughest job on the planet” is prone to exaggeration! :wink:

#30

@SomeGuy My understanding is that fiber acts like a sponge and absorbs cholesterol rich bile. The shards of glass feeling is upon exist because that’s where the nerves are but I do roll around in bed with ankle pain the morning after consuming greens as if I’ve been poisoned.

@Hallie I don’t have hemorrhoids since I only need to wipe once with zero residue. My digestion is perfect at the moment. I walk most days and do full range bodyweight squats to keep my core muscles in shape.

@ctviggen I feel your pain. I was thinking that animals who mainly eat greens have grey skin and we don’t. Does this not tell us that we’re not meant to eat greens?

Were you taking carb based probiotics? Bifidobacterium and lactobacillus?

I believe keto probiotics will the future of probiotics. It will help people transition into a ketogenetic woe without needing to fast or feel carb withdrawal symptoms.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6678592/)
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6938789/)

@Fabien_Paillusson Do you also drink green juices or eat greens upon refeeding? I’m thinking that the fast kills off or reduces oxalate bacteria and then there’s very little bacteria to degrade the oxalates.

@Janie LOL. I wish. Interlocking/Masonry is the hardest job. There’s no other construction job that overworks the body and I’ve done many. Shoveling and moving wheelbarrows of dirt/gravel/screening and then moving/laying heavy ass interlocking brick. I’m glad I left these jobs but they did help my brain evolve towards mental toughness. I don’t have the limiting cry baby mentality of thinking how much more do I need to do before the job is done. :sweat_smile:

(Joey) #31

Interestingly enough, I’ve read competing hypotheses on exactly what fiber does vs doesn’t do. There seems to be dueling data out there on the topic.

I’ve got no dog in this fight, but remain curious given the wide range of expert opinions available.

Best wishes!