I am not sure I agree. I think the unwashed masses would regard keto as more extreme than vegan, mostly on the basis that vegan diets are more established/well known, and as we all know [sarcasm font on] fruits and veg are by far the most healthy foods and meat is questionable [sarcasm font off].
Another Keto scare
Janie
(Jane)
#22
Yeah, so giving up one good group (carbs) is SO.MUCH.MORE.RESTRICTIVE than giving up all animal protein???
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#23
Can’t agree, sorry. We are not talking carnivore here, just keto. My doctor is thrilled that I eat meat, fish, dairy, berries, veggies. He wishes all his patients did. My FBG went from 97 to 87. I lost 25 pounds My son recently went to the doctor for vague stomach pains. Doctor said no more sugar and starch.
I’ve only had one doctor recommend vegan. He was a veg all his life and collapsed during surgery. Now he wants all his patients to cut out cheese and dairy.
I am eating basically the way I was brought up. We had pasta/bread like three times a week. Butter, no margarine. I’m 61, and my grandmother used to say (not in a disparaging way) that Mrs. So-and-So down the street was diabetic because she ate too many sugars and starches.
This is ancient knowledge. I’m 61 and my grandmother would be 119.
Vegetarianism is established, well-known, not vegan.
ODE
#24
What some people also dont realize is that vegan and vegetarian diets sound like they all eat really green and healthy, but not that many do or care to cook themselves and end up eating lot of sugar and bad carbs. Which is why i think sugar industry is taking more interest in backing these carb/sugar favoring diets to fight keto/meat based diets as the vege diets can be easily corrupted to unhealthy versions that serves big food agenda and vegans/vegetarians ideology.
DawnOM
(Dawn O Miller)
#26
I think I know the guy you are referring too and I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels that way towards him. I’m close to un-subscribing to him as well, I feel that there are other Carnivore youtubers with a more positive approaching to critiquing the Vegan diet than him.
I’ve recently subscribe to Vegetable Police, he’s a 10year vegan switched to Carnivore in the past year and he’s been very honest about his switch, and I enjoy watching his journey to figuring out his own health ailments…also he’s just point blank hilarious.
Robert_Johnson
(Consensus is Politics)
#28
Something I had suspected about youtubers years ago was this… ‘Do whatever it takes to get views’.
Now that was just the cynical me seeing stupid videos like “Too 10 Poisonous fruits you didnt know of” and “Top 7 secret locations you arent allowed to visit”.
Then recently, as in within about the past year, I learned YouYube actually pays these people! That confirms it for me. It really is nothing more than click bait.
On thr one hand, you have people making up drivel, as in they beleive the “World is flat” and I’ll prove it videos. Initially these people put them up to gain clicks. Not because they beleived it. Their reasoning was so moronic they couldnt survive being that stupid. They would die trying to cross a busy street jumping from car to car, or drown in a bathtub. But they drew a crowd, and startted a trend, and some people actually beleive what they are peddling. “Wow, he makes sense. That must be why that thing happens”
I lump vegans in with that group. They beleive what they want to beleive, without reason. Simply because someone explained it in a way to them that made sense, and then when they hear counter to it, its just like the guru said, they will attack it like this.
A very good friend of mine many years ago was a vegetarian. She probably still is. It was never a contentious point in our friendship. She was for religious reasons, a Severh Day Advent. I’m a Baptist. We got a long just fine. One day oit of curiosity I asked her why she was vegetarian. She poited out in the Bible where Adam and Eve were created as vegetarians. Wow, sure enough.
Then I asked her “what about post flood? What did God tell Noah?” Basically said the same thing about all these animals with few exceptions. She did a double take. She couldn’t beleive what she was reading. Then I blew her mind and showed her what is said in the New Testament about eating those leftover animals. The unclean ones that the Jews were forbidden to eat. They were added to the menu. All of them were fine to eat as ling as one gave thanks to God for it.
Dont worry, thats as far as I’m going into religion. My point being that its human nature to beleive the first explanation of something as long as it makes sense, somehow. We get locked mentally. It sometimes takes something earthshaking, like diabetes, to get us to open our minds a bit and re-evaluate what we know to be true. Like the food pyramid. Or youtube.
Meerkatsandy
#33
my friend is vegetarian…she eats veggies for three days, by day 4 she’s knee deep in junk food for the next few days. Repeat…
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#35
Didn’t you start getting notices about the rituals yet? You’ll need robes and a candle, incense is optional. 
But on no account ever, ever tell anyone about the mothership!!
HelenM
#37
Yes vegetarianism is well established, but if the presence of a vegan pudding on a local restaurant menu is anything to go by, veganism isn’t that far behind any more.
(And it left me really disappointed, it was a coconut milk ice cream, sounded delicious, but it was full of sugar 
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anon2571578
#40
I feel like the tribalism between Vegan and Carnivore is going to get worse should Carnivore gain more popularity. And yeah a lot of that is the Vegans’ faults because they’re more than willing to be inappropriate and cross lines. It’s a shame some Carnivores are no better, that they would devolve to simple sexism when attacking Vegan women, or insinuate that Vegan men aren’t “real men.”
Veganism has plenty of points worth critiquing, both as an ideology and how the movement carries itself without resorting to underhanded attacks like that.