Dr. Berg - what do you think of him?


(Sharon A Peters) #45

Chiropractors are Doctors of Chiropractic. The medical establishment has spent years and lots of money creating the image that they are charlatans and dangerous. You want an example of a charlatan? I give you many, if not most board certified diplomates in gynecology, most of whom are male. “Real doctors” who are “specialists” in a body/sex/hormone/reproductive system that they have, at best, ambivalent attitudes towards, and textbook knowledge without the ability and/or desire to develop context to really understand the women they are educated and specialized to treat. We want doctors to revise their thinking, critically read and keep up with research on the metabolism, insulin, T2D, causes, reversals, etc.? Well maybe we need to update our thinking on this towards the entire healthcare professions.


(Sharon A Peters) #46

Look, who in their right mind is comfortable with healthcare professionals who shill product? But, think about it: medical doctors shill for Big Pharma. I just don’t like the ones who spit on Big Pharma, and then sell some dried grass and concentrated magnesium what-not product. I am disappointed by Dr. Berg when he holds up that wheat grass powder; I gag every time I run across some serious science keto person with a product to sell. And I begin call for the priest and the ambulance when non-science-types, for example Jimmy Moore begin their come-callin’ sales pitches for attention and for money.


#49

My issues with Berg are more to do with his style than substance – do you notice how he never expresses a doubt or acknowledges that there are conflicting opinions regarding certain questions? This is my general problem with chiropractors – many talk as though they have all health questions answered with 100% certainty, which lowers my trust. And Berg pronounces words like “In-su-lin” as though he’s speaking to preschoolers who are hearing it for the first time. Petty of me, I know.

On the other hand, I like to hear his take on specific topics that I’m researching.


(Doug) #51

I think that lots of people have gotten lots of good from Berg’s videos, etc.

That said, there is an element of hucksterism that has always rubbed me the wrong way. Seems like he’s more concerned with just putting out huge numbers of videos, and selling stuff that’s often of dubious value (to put it kindly), than necessarily being correct - sometimes there are unforgivable errors in his claims. He had the carbohydrate content of artichokes being 15 times higher than reality.

His cup of artichokes, that weighed ~168 grams, contained 269 grams of carbohydrates. :smile: C’mon, man, you ain’t thinkin’ or payin’ attention there. No shortage of complaints about his clinic, too. Some of that will happen, regardless, of course.

In the end I think he’s a “player,” and that there’s both good and bad to that.


(Dan Dan) #52

Just to clarify a Doctor is a person who holds a Doctorate and a Doctorate is the highest degree awarded by a graduate school or other approved educational organization.


(Dan Dan) #53

Unfortunately in my case I get this from the “Conventional Medical practitioners”

I may have lost a few thousand dollars and wasted time from so called hucksters but “Conventional Medical practitioners” have cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars and many years of suffering and a few loved ones lives.

If it were not for people like Dr. Berg who were brave enough to buck conventional wisdom I would not have found IF/EF Keto.


(Allie) #56

Sometimes people just click on the wrong reply button - under the post so it replies to that post, instead of at the bottom of the thread to add a general reply - so no need to take it personally. I’ve caught myself doing it a few times.


(Dan Dan) #57

Sharing knowledge doesn’t require a Degree or License or break any code of ethics.

knowledge:

  1. facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
  2. awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.

In respect to Dr. Berg he states he is a ‘D.C.’ and gives a disclaimer:

Disclaimer: Dr. Berg does not diagnose, treat or prevent any medical conditions; instead he helps people create their health to avoid health problems. He also works with their physicians, who then monitor their medications. Dr. Berg is not involved in advising alteration in medications.

This video is not designed to and does not provide medical advice, professional diagnosis, opinion, treatment or services to you or to any other individual. Through my videos, blog posts, website information, I give suggestions for you and your doctor to research and provide general information for educational purposes only. The information provided in this video or site, or through linkages to other sites, is not a substitute for medical or professional care, and you should not use the information in place of a visit, call consultation or the advice of your physician or other healthcare provider. The Health & Wellness and Dr. Eric Berg, D.C. are not liable or responsible for any advice, course of treatment, diagnosis or any other information, services or product you obtain through this video or site.


(Dan Dan) #59

It was never my intention nor my desire to change anyone’s mind but to share my opinion and the facts such as Dr. Bergs education and his stated intentions which are clearly spelled out in his disclaimer and bio found on his videos and website which are the opposite to what you have attributed to him.

It is up to the individual to decide if Dr. Bergs free videos are of value and his intentions.


(Brian) #60

Oh, that happens a lot, in more circles than you’d think. Just because they have the word, “doctor” attached to their name, and it might be in a field like theology, history, literature or any number of subjects with little relation, they’ll suddenly become “experts” on all things medical, because, after all, they’re “Doctors”,… with a capital D.


(Dan Dan) #61

I am poorly educated and yet have suffered from ‘Expertitis Disease’ myself for many years I have hope that IF/EF Keto will cure me :crazy_face::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


(German Ketonian) #62

I agree that “PhD megalomania” happens a lot. I believe this is an offshot of the Dunning-Kruger effect. However, I also think there are many notable exceptions to this, among of which I hope to be :slight_smile:

I cherish this community and the tremendous crowd wisdom. I draw so much inspiration and wisdom from all of you that I am in awe about the agglomeration and accumulation of knowledge contained in this forum! I don’t hesitate to ask questions and admit errors. That’s what a TRUE scientist would do: stay open for theoretical and empirical evidence and adjust your hypotheses and theories accordingly.


(karen) #63

I had kind of that reaction to Phinney during an extended interview, he peppered his whole talk with “oh don’t get me started” or “that’s more in depth than the scope of this discussion”, “I’m not going to get into that here”. At one point he was asked a question about resistant starch and instead of saying “what is resistant starch?” he just babbled on for two minutes about something unrelated … not saying he doesn’t know his stuff, but the inability to EVER say “I don’t know” or “that’s not something I’ve studied” or even “I haven’t made up my mind about this” is bothersome to me in a person supposedly open to new information.


(So much bacon . . . so little time . . .) #64

I share a lot of people’s—well, “dislike” seems a bit too strong, but nothing else fits—for Dr. Berg. He rubs me the wrong way. At least with researchers like Phinney and Westman, they cite data to back up their assertions, whatever other beefs one may have with them. I’m sorry not to like Berg more, since he’s on the same team, but I have the same feeling about people like de Lauer, Asprey, and even Dr. Mercola. Interestingly, I do not feel that way about Dave Feldman or Ivor Cummins, perhaps because they are more data-driven.

As for the matter of who’s entitled to what title, I’m not going to post what I really want to say, because it’s long and even I got bored reading it, lol!


(Diane) #65

I can’t help but mostly agree with you. Though I’ll always have a soft spot for Dr. Mercola since his book was my first introduction to “eating Keto”. That said, he is very rigid in his definition of “proper Keto” and he has additional strange ideas (to me) that didn’t resonate with me. I’d never send a newbie or potential newbie to his book to get started.


(Ron) #66

I’m totally in this category. When I first started my keto journey some of his video’s fed my cravings about keto and possible kept the drive a little higher. I found them informative in my desire to understanding. As I progressed, I started to see the simplicity of his presentations and generalizations no longer satisfied my knowledge hungers and the appreciation started diminishing. Skip to today and I share opinions viewed on the thread towards his lack of science to validate his presentations.
My feelings now are while I believe he could improve his presentations considerably, there was a value to what he offered to me at one time and surely is to others also as they try to feed their curiosity about keto and the journey. Does this make me dislike him? Absolutely not and I believe him to be a good human being trying to help many in some way.
IMHO


(Jay AM) #67

We’re pretty similar here. Berg was in the beginning of my keto journey and some of his stuff really resonated at the time. As I got more experience I craved the science which he just wasn’t offering much of and I moved on to better science stuff. I rarely see a Berg video now. Beyond his title use that I don’t agree with, he’s not a bad person.


(Dan Dan) #68

Edit: Agree with first part disagree with second

Edit: Agree

Edit: Agree

EDIT : Please interpret that my post agrees with those above except the parts I disagree :crazy_face::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Edit: this was meant to show disagreement
Both Berg and De Lauer are all about Research and Science so not sure were you get that from?

Edit: this was meant to show agreement
Both are businessmen who cater to their respctive audience while also appealing to those outside. They run successful businesses by offering both free and paid services.

Edit: this was meant to show agreement
I have outgrown most YouTube iF/EF Keto Pundits but do keep a watch because I don’t know everything yet :open_mouth: :crazy_face::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


(Troy Anthony) #69

Reading through the comments supports the idea that health science at this stage is mostly subjective. People gravitate towards those that make sense to them, which is completely subjective. Objective science is extremely difficult although it is the whole point of the discipline. Even more science based researchers out there have egos and create brands based off their POV, no matter how well intentioned these researchers are, often times they are using studies to validate their claims vs openly looking to discredit their own beliefs. Science is suppose to be about disproving a hypothesis. Doing everything you can to disprove the hypothesis and if you can’t, then it holds some merit. Then other scientists get to do what they can at disproving the hypothesis, and if they can’t, now it gets closer to what we would think of as a fact. We live in a world of human error and picking through what looks like as objective science can even be a subjective mostly self validating experience. There is nothing wrong with that, it’s human nature, so at the end of the day find what works for you. It won’t be scientific and objective but if it works it works.


(Ron) #70

And then you have to factor in how many thing are taken out of context or misinterpreted on the internet.
Ex:
Quoted from my previous post-

[quote=“Dan_Dan, post:68, topic:43541”]

I’m totally in this category.

Followed with this response-

“Both Berg and De Lauer are all about Research and Science so not sure were you get that from?”

Both are businessmen who cater to their respctive audience while also appealing to those outside. They run successful businesses by offering both free and paid services.
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But if you consider my statement with the quoted line I was responding too (“dislike” seems a bit too strong") it should have been clear that I was defending Dr.Berg.

Everyone doesn’t interpret things the same.:open_mouth::wink: